[PainBrush]

Thanks Kail , yeah, as I was typing I realised that I might have 'seemed' to inadvertantly insult(?) by not differentiating specifically nationalities or sump'n, though even talking about specific nationalities wasn't my intent, just to say that Howard knew his stuff & I wasn't trying to say 'I' knew my stuff , even tho I do 'somewhat' . The response to me 'seemed' to slight me , but rather than assume that , I decided to instead just clarify what simple point i was trying to make , with another miserably long-winded post hahaha . Some folks like you said are very sensitive to any stuff concerning their heritage , so I figured being a 'typical'(?) American , I better elaborate , & point out the little phrase under my name to the left while I'm at it haha .
Good detailed stuff like all this history & myths/ legends is some damn good reading & more of what's needed on this miserable internet , & so I darn sure don't want something I might have inadvertantly said or seemed to say, or not said etc. cause any kind of pissing contest . And I definitely would like to talk more about all this Celtic stuff especially from actual other-side-of-the-pond 'Irish-Celts' , 'Scot-Celts' 'English-Celts' & any/all other 'Britons', 'Brythunians', 'Angles', 'Saxons', 'Jutes', 'Gaels', 'Picts', 'Banshuigs', 'Woodkern', 'Brownies' , or others I may have neglected to specifically mention here hahaha !

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[Kail, or The Beekan]

PAINBRUSH, on Aug 22 2005, 02:26 PM, said:

Yeah, as I was typing I realised that I might have 'seemed' to inadvertantly insult(?) by not differentiating specifically nationalities , though even talking about specific nationalities wasn't my intent, just to say that Howard knew his stuff & I wasn't trying to say 'I' knew my stuff , even tho I do . The response to me 'seemed' to slight me , but rather than assume that , I decided to instead just clarify what simple point i was trying to make , with another miserably long-winded post hahaha . Some folks are very sensitive to any stuff concerning their heritage , so I figured I better elaborate , & point out the little phrase under my name to the left while I'm at it haha .

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And I've just realised that I might have insulted our English brethren with my last post, which wasn't my intention. It just goes to show that you can't be too careful, nowadays.

[PainBrush]

Hahaha, yeah but just quote them this famous line favored by Ceasar :
" FUTUI EAM SE NON CONCIPIO IOCULARUM "

[budgie]

Kail, on or The Beekan,Aug 22 2005, 05:39 AM, said:

PAINBRUSH, on Aug 22 2005, 02:26 PM, said:

Yeah, as I was typing I realised that I might have 'seemed' to inadvertantly insult(?) by not differentiating specifically nationalities , though even talking about specific nationalities wasn't my intent, just to say that Howard knew his stuff & I wasn't trying to say 'I' knew my stuff , even tho I do . The response to me 'seemed' to slight me , but rather than assume that , I decided to instead just clarify what simple point i was trying to make , with another miserably long-winded post hahaha . Some folks are very sensitive to any stuff concerning their heritage , so I figured I better elaborate , & point out the little phrase under my name to the left while I'm at it haha .

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And I've just realised that I might have insulted our English brethren with my last post, which wasn't my intention. It just goes to show that you can't be too careful, nowadays.

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Hey,you cant go around insulting the English.. thats a Scotsmans right its in our blood..

Budgie

[Red Hand]

Hmm... well, I guess maybe I should start off by trying to diffuse this a bit.

Painbrush, I wasn't trying to start any kind of pissing contest. My apologies if that's how my post came off (one of the curses of the boards like this... people can read into messages a tone that wasn't intended).

I was merely trying to clarify the origins of the names/myths that you spoke of in your earlier post.

At any rate, what Kail said may be true to some degree... as one of Irish descent (Irish-American) who does happen to know quite a bit about Irish history/myth/legend (especially ancient Ireland... it's one of my passions) I am probably particularly picky about getting the facts of that history/myth/legend correct.

Oh, and finally, (as proof positive of the previous paragraph ) Ireland hasn't been part of the UK since 1922 (aside from the 6 counties in the north that comprise Northern Ireland, which is still a part of the UK... more's the pity). So, no, it's not part of the UK. And prior to the 11th century (Norman Invasion of Ireland) it was never under British/English (Celtic or Saxon) control or even partial control. It wasn't until after the Norman Invasion that the English began exerting influence (political and military) in Ireland. True, the English monarchy claimed Ireland as part of its empire early on (though for many, many years the only area the English had any control over was the area right around Dublin... the rest of the island was ruled by the Gaelic chieftains). In fact, Britain's conquest wasn't completed until the 17th century with the Flight of the Earls and the Plantation of Ulster (and even then one could argue that the conquest was never truly 100% complete... i.e. the struggle continued for the next 300 years until the Irish finally won when the Irish Republic achieved its independence). At any rate, the point I'm trying to make (and was trying to make in my first post) is that the names, etc. you listed in your first post were distinctly Irish, and come from a time in Irish history when England/Britain/UK (whatever one wants to call it) had nothing to do with Ireland's identity or sovereignty.

[PainBrush]

Slauncha RedHand !!!

[Red Hand]

Same back at you Painbrush!

(It's spelled slainte by the way... sorry... couldn't resist! )

[daknight]

Kortoso, on Aug 21 2005, 06:20 PM, said:

To be fair, Arthur Conan Doyle wrote a medieval novel (my addled brain tells me it was The White Company), and it's pretty clear that REH read that.

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I would say there is a good chance he did. I think someone had compiled a list of books Howard owned at the time of his departure. If anybody knows where that is maybe they could post it? I don't know where I read it.

[daknight]

Red Hand, on Aug 22 2005, 09:52 PM, said:

Same back at you Painbrush!

(It's spelled slainte by the way... sorry... couldn't resist! )

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Perhaps he was trying to spell it phonetically? Which would have been better as SLANJ.

[Kortoso]

daknight, on Aug 22 2005, 10:39 PM, said:

Kortoso, on Aug 21 2005, 06:20 PM, said:

To be fair, Arthur Conan Doyle wrote a medieval novel (my addled brain tells me it was The White Company), and it's pretty clear that REH read that.

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Probably somewhere in here:
http://rehupa.com/bookshelf.htm

I would say there is a good chance he did. I think someone had compiled a list of books Howard owned at the time of his departure. If anybody knows where that is maybe they could post it? I don't know where I read it.

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[Junior]

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Perhaps he was trying to spell it phonetically? Which would have been better as SLANJ

I think it would be SLAUN-CHA, no?

[ArdRi]

Was Conan a historical figure. Robert Howard studied Irish History. Which book has Conan sailing to the Green Island. In Ireland a tombstone in ogham script reads "Here lies Conan the King. To others. Conan the fierce and the Turbulent. We know Conan was a Fineian Hero in Irish folklore. Is this Howards Conan

[timeless]

Conan (pronounced CO-nun) is a popular historical Irish name.

[Kortoso]

There were at least two Conans in Irish legend, and a couple of historical Conans to boot.

[timeless]

Also, deep in Irish history, another Conan wrote stories about an inventive detective who solves mysteries and another hosted a Bronze Age late-night talk show.

[Ant]

timeless, on May 2 2007, 01:47 AM, said:

Also, deep in Irish history, another Conan wrote stories about an inventive detective who solves mysteries and another hosted a Bronze Age late-night talk show.

Sorry - I can't resist - even tho' it's strictly OT.

JW: Holmes, why are you painting the door bright yellow?
SH: Lemon entry, my dear Watson.

Cheers,
Ant

[Ant]

ArdRi, on May 1 2007, 02:46 AM, said:

Was Conan a historical figure. Robert Howard studied Irish History. Which book has Conan sailing to the Green Island. In Ireland a tombstone in ogham script reads "Here lies Conan the King. To others. Conan the fierce and the Turbulent. We know Conan was a Fineian Hero in Irish folklore. Is this Howards Conan

From Wikipedia:

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Real people

* Saint Conan (a.k.a. Saint Mochonna), d. 684
* Conan I (Le Torte), 927-992, duke of Brittany and of Rennes.
* Conan II (Le Petit), ruled 1040-1066, duke of Brittany.
* Conan III (Le Gros) 1096-1148, duke of Brittany.
* Conan IV, + 1171, duke of Brittany.
* Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, 1859 - 1930, British author of fantasy and detective novels
* Conan Nado, 1955 -, musician, guitarist
* Conan O'Brien, 1963 -, American comedian and talk show host
* Conan Kennedy, 1948-, Irish historian and novelist

Mythical people

* Conand, King of the piratical Fomorians of the Irish myth.
* Conán Maol, warrior of the Fianna in the Irish myth. Rescued from Tir na Tairngire by Fionn mac Cumhail.
* Conán mac Lia, Lord of Luachar; son of Liath Luachra and later ally of the mythical war leader Fionn mac Cumhail
* A war leader that makes an alliance with Cadwallader in the prophecies of Merlin (Historia Regum Britanniae vii, 3). Together they slaughter the foreigners until the rivers run with blood. One of Conan's descendants will be a "huge boar" that fights in Gaul and is feared by the Africans and the Arabs. May be identical with Conan Meriadoc.

Semi-historical people

* Conan Meriadoc (middle Welsh Kynan Meriadoc, modern Breton Konan Meriadek), * ca. AD 305, + ca. AD 395, legendary first Duke of Brittany.
* Aurelius Conanus, nephew and successor to Constantine as king of the Britons for three years at the end of the 6th century AD according to Geoffrey of Monmouth.

Fictional characters

* Conan the Barbarian is a fictional barbarian from stories by Robert E. Howard
* Jimmy Kudo (工藤 新一, Kudō Shin'ichi?) also known as Conan Edogawa, a character from Case Closed (Detective Conan in Japan). A detective stuck in the body of a child, Kudo used the alias Conan, honoring Conan Doyle, in order to protect his real identity.
* Conan: The Boy in Future is a 26 episodes anime series by Hayao Miyazaki first aired in April 1978.

But none of these Conan's was a high king, ArdRi...

Slainte,
Ant

[PainBrush]

Naah, everybody knows nowadays Howard based his character entirely on a short cross-eyed Mexican kid who lived down the street from him growing up , Conan McCervantes something or another .

















( Vote for Pedro !! )

[deuce]

Jaybird, on May 31 2005, 01:42 AM, said:

I've never heard of him readin any of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.

He most definitely DID, Jaybird. REH listed Arthur Conan Doyle as an author he admired in at least one letter. We KNOW he read Doyle's classic novel about the Hundred Year's War, The White Company. Amazing what you can learn on this forum.

[deuce]

ArdRi, on May 1 2007, 03:46 AM, said:

Was Conan a historical figure. Robert Howard studied Irish History. Which book has Conan sailing to the Green Island. In Ireland a tombstone in ogham script reads "Here lies Conan the King. To others. Conan the fierce and the Turbulent. We know Conan was a Fineian Hero in Irish folklore. Is this Howards Conan

I don't think so.