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[VincentDarlage]

Well, if I had a map that was similar in its crude, old world feel, I would happily use it. Unfortunetly all the bigger, fuller maps are too computer generated for my tastes. I really like the look of an old chart/map. It would be better with a "here be stygians" referance.

I feel the same way, actually. It would be nice if a real artist/cartographer could make an old-style, hand-drawn map using current layouts and scholarship.

[Fernando]

Yor maps are very beautiful and well depicted , but I've noticed you forgot to include the city of Valadelad in http://hyboria.xoth..../vd_zingara.jpg

And, about the complete Hyborian map, I think Pathenia is northernmore than you depicted. That pastiche's region was placed halfway in Hyrkania, and it can make a lay one believes Hyrkania doesn't finishes in "the very shores of the eastern ocean", as told by Robert E. Howard in the essay The Hyborian Age .

[VincentDarlage]

And, about the complete Hyborian map, I think Pathenia is northernmore than you depicted. That pastiche's region was placed halfway in Hyrkania, and it can make a lay one believes Hyrkania doesn't finishes in "the very shores of the eastern ocean", as told by Robert E. Howard in the essay The Hyborian Age .

Well, since Pathenia was mentioned in an L. Sprague de Camp rewrite of a non-Conan Howard tale, I looked up the Howard tale, and Howard said Mongolia. So I placed Pathenia where Mongolia belongs. Hyrkania passes south of Pathenia and continues east to the shores of the ocean.

[Fernando]

Well, since Pathenia was mentioned in an L. Sprague de Camp rewrite of a non-Conan Howard tale, I looked up the Howard tale, and Howard said Mongolia. So I placed Pathenia where Mongolia belongs. Hyrkania passes south of Pathenia and continues east to the shores of the ocean.

Thank you, Vincent ! But you forgot to answer my doubt about Valadelad's absence in your map of Zingara...

[timeless]

Hyboria is such an interesting construct. I guess if most Howard fans were asked the question of what they would be in that era, they would say soldier of fortune/mercenary/adventurer/etc. Me, I would be a cartographer. The geography in Howard's world, as in Tolkien's, is more than half the fun to me. Maybe I'm just weird that way.

[VincentDarlage]

Thank you, Vincent ! But you forgot to answer my doubt about Valadelad's absence in your map of Zingara...

Well, didn't that city appear in a draft version of a story? I haven't read through all the drafts, yet. Also, wasn't it destroyed?

I am sure I didn't include lots of cities from various drafts, pastiches, etc. Where in Zingara along the coast do you think Valadelad goes?

[Fernando]

Well, didn't that city appear in a draft version of a story? I haven't read through all the drafts, yet. Also, wasn't it destroyed?

Valadelad was mentioned by Conan in the first draft of Red Nails as had been burned by the Cimmerian and their Barachans, but it doesn't means the whole city was burned and/or destroyed.

I am sure I didn't include lots of cities from various drafts, pastiches, etc. Where in Zingara along the coast do you think Valadelad goes?

Well, Wadai, for instance was mentioned in The Man-Eaters of Zamboula, and REH didn't placed it in a specifically region. But you had imagination enough for placing Wadai nortwestern of Atlaia. You did the same thing with the pastiche region of Pathenia, associating it with Mongolia. Why couldn't you make the same with Valadelad? I particulary believe Valadelad was southward of Kordava.

[Axerules]

Me, I would be a cartographer. The geography in Howard's world, as in Tolkien's, is more than half the fun to me. Maybe I'm just weird that way.

Hey Timeless: the mighty Cimmerian himself was a cartographer in Phoenix !

[VincentDarlage]

Well, Wadai, for instance was mentioned in The Man-Eaters of Zamboula, and REH didn't placed it in a specifically region. But you had imagination enough for placing Wadai nortwestern of Atlaia. You did the same thing with the pastiche region of Pathenia, associating it with Mongolia. Why couldn't you make the same with Valadelad?

Well, it could be that I read Man-Eaters of Zamboula, and the stories that mentioned Pathenia, but not the Red Nails draft(s) when I made those maps. I will update my map, though.

[Fernando]

Hey, Vincent!

I was watching the Atlaia's map, and I've noticed that the only REH's names on it are Wadai, Zembabwei and, of couse, Atlaia. Were the other names and places of your own creation, or did you take them from pastiches and comics? If the 2nd option is right, what pastiches and comics?

[VincentDarlage]

Hey, Vincent!

I was watching the Atlaia's map, and I've noticed that the only REH's names on it are Wadai, Zembabwei and, of couse, Atlaia. Were the other names and places of your own creation, or did you take them from pastiches and comics? If the 2nd option is right, what pastiches and comics?

For Atlaia, they either are my own creation or the creation of Nick Bergquist (who wrote "Tales of the Black Kingdoms" for the Mongoose RPG).

[ACertainMrDoe]

I really love my colour poster of Conan's world. It was available here in Germany with Erhard Ringer's "Das Conan-Universum" through a coupon in the book. Cost me about 10DM at the time (would be 5? today, so a real bargain). The illustrations around the map are quite cool, except that strange Conan picture.

[Atula Siriwardane]

I would like to know the artist and the origin of the map....
Where else it is used...
Atula

[Kortoso]

Since this has been asked so many times before in the past, you're going to have trouble getting a straight answer.

Check here instead:
http://www.conan.com...p?showtopic=119
Thanks!

[deuce]

I would like to know the artist and the origin of the map....
Where else it is used...
Atula

Hey Atula! Exactly which "map" are you referring to? Robert E. Howard drew more than one.

[godzilladude]

I FINALLY found my email on the subject. I have a large Hyborian Age map, black and red on brown burlap, looks nice and old. Hand-painted by a gent named Jack Cook, at kartographer@yahoo.com. Acquired it at Howard Days a few years back, was a bear to frame, as its cut as an odd size. I know he has created at least one more, and perhaps could be persuaded to do others.

Yes, yes, I'll try to get a picture of it up here sometime.

[Spartan198]

I think maybe he means the map at the top of this section.

[Jack Cook]

I FINALLY found my email on the subject. I have a large Hyborian Age map, black and red on brown burlap, looks nice and old. Hand-painted by a gent named Jack Cook, at kartographer@yahoo.com. Acquired it at Howard Days a few years back, was a bear to frame, as its cut as an odd size. I know he has created at least one more, and perhaps could be persuaded to do others.

Yes, yes, I'll try to get a picture of it up here sometime.

Glad to know my map is in good hands godzilladude! Just to let all know my old e-mail no longer works (It got hacked and stolen) But I now have a homepage decated to my work you can view it at:

http://theoldecartographersshoppe.net/

The map you have was made in the same vien as the one I donated to Project Pride and now hangs in the kitchen of Howard's house. I purposely try to adhere to and draw only what Howard wrote about adding some detail as later added by L. Sprague de Camp and Lin Carter, but I purposely stay away from new information as I try to make my work as 'old world' as possible while being as close to their writing and map versions as possible.

I add few embelishments because I am striving to make a map very much in the manner that 'beyond here is the edge of the world' or 'beyond this point there be dragons direr'. To me a good map of the Hyborian world needs to look as if someone has hand drawn it using inks and material more fitting the age and as if it is based on verbal reports, and stories, and older maps not satellite mapping systems or as if it came from triple A along with your membership card.

Any way stop by my shoppe take a look, as visitors are always welcome there.

Kartographer

Edited by Jack Cook, 14 April 2008 - 01:23 PM.

[Spartan198]

[ u would love to map my big contours ]

I had a question about these maps I was gonna ask, but... I can't seem to remember it now.

[Zula]

Did the question have to do with a pair of mountains and a lush valley?

Edited by Zula, 26 May 2008 - 03:56 AM.