John Carter (Of Mars): The Movie
#481
Posted 09 March 2012 - 03:26 AM
#482
Posted 09 March 2012 - 05:09 AM
Oh yeah, for all the talk that women have no interest in seeing this film, two of my female coworkers have told me they're going to see it, one with a group of (female) friends and the other with her daughter. So there!
Turlogh shook his head. "Not so long as the race lasts."
--- The Dark Man, by Robert E. Howard
#483
Posted 09 March 2012 - 09:37 AM
I have to say that i was blown away. Is it a perfect movie? No.
Is it a good representation of Burroughs work? IMO, YES!!!
From late 1800's United States to the deserts, ruins, and cities of Barsoom the production values of this movie shine.
In particular I loved the scenes that helped to establish Carter's character before he gets to Barsoom. I though they were an excellent addition.
Woola was a big hit with the crowd I saw the movie with. I think the little fella got as many cheers as the main characters. The alterations to Dejah were well done. No palace breed pricness here. Obviously this Princess of Mars was taught how to hold her own.
I'm already planning to find the time to see this again before the weekend is over.[/indent]
Edited by Kane, 09 March 2012 - 09:38 AM.
And force upon Mankind the Freedom he fears--
And dead gods I will again defy?"
#484
Posted 09 March 2012 - 09:44 AM
Will Smith as a Confederate officer?
And this on here is a huge piece of PC Bullshit. She even uses the "N" word! "Nuance"!!! AARRGGHHH!!!
http://www.flickfilo...l#axzz1oX73Jgwh
take care.
Doug
This is Maryann Johanson's review, just to be clear.
"He’s a white man, so he must be right, is the evergreen underlying assumption, and even intelligent civilizations on other planets know this."
Kinda funny, that it's a whim of Hollywood that Wil Smith wasn't picked for this. So then what would she have said?
"... you speak of Venarium familiarly. Perhaps you were there?"
"I was," grunted [Conan]. "I was one of the horde that swarmed over the hills. I hadn't yet seen fifteen snows, but already my name was repeated about the council fires." - "Beyond the Black River", by Robert E. Howard
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#485
Posted 09 March 2012 - 01:13 PM
Well, the tweets on Twitter concerning the movie are not too bad. Lots of people eager to see it, people who have seen it saying how much they like it. It might be enough . . .
Oh yeah, for all the talk that women have no interest in seeing this film, two of my female coworkers have told me they're going to see it, one with a group of (female) friends and the other with her daughter. So there!
It seems to me like a lot of critics, the media, and a lot of the people you find on imdb are more interested in a mean spirited narrative (Andrew Stanton tries to direct a live action flick and fails miserably/Disney's 300 million blunder the new Waterworld/an uninspired CGI fest that steals from Star Wars, Avatar, and a half dozen superior films - take your pick) than judging a film on it's own merits. Roger Ebert's review was particularly idiotic. Since he couldn't find an actual pulp character to back up his swords vs. rayguns point (he would have actually had to have read some pulp fiction to pull that off), he simply made one up. Of course, anyone who's read his reviews of the previous three conan films knows that this is vintage Ebert. Why not just be honest and say "I understand that this film is taken from the Mars series by Edgar Rice Burroughs, but I've never actually read them"?

Money and muscle, that's what I want; to be able to do any damned thing I want and get away with it. Money won't do that altogether, because if a man is a weakling, all the money in the world won't enable him to soak an enemy himself; on the other hand, unless he has money he may not be able to get away with it.
--Robert E. Howard to Harold Preece, ca. June 1928--
#486
Posted 09 March 2012 - 01:41 PM
Well, the tweets on Twitter concerning the movie are not too bad. Lots of people eager to see it, people who have seen it saying how much they like it. It might be enough . . .
Oh yeah, for all the talk that women have no interest in seeing this film, two of my female coworkers have told me they're going to see it, one with a group of (female) friends and the other with her daughter. So there!
It seems to me like a lot of critics, the media, and a lot of the people you find on imdb are more interested in a mean spirited narrative (Andrew Stanton tries to direct a live action flick and fails miserably/Disney's 300 million blunder the new Waterworld/an uninspired CGI fest that steals from Star Wars, Avatar, and a half dozen superior films - take your pick) than judging a film on it's own merits. Roger Ebert's review was particularly idiotic. Since he couldn't find an actual pulp character to back up his swords vs. rayguns point (he would have actually had to have read some pulp fiction to pull that off), he simply made one up. Of course, anyone who's read his reviews of the previous three conan films knows that this is vintage Ebert. Why not just be honest and say "I understand that this film is taken from the Mars series by Edgar Rice Burroughs, but I've never actually read them"?
I've never been a fan of professional critics, but I'm really starting to loathe them now with the treatment of this film. They are, for the most part, a spineless, bitter, cannabalistic bunch profitting off the denigration of other's creative works.
Reminds me of an old Barsoomian joke: What do you call an airship full of movie critics at the bottom of the River Iss?
#487
Posted 09 March 2012 - 02:37 PM
Well, the tweets on Twitter concerning the movie are not too bad. Lots of people eager to see it, people who have seen it saying how much they like it. It might be enough . . .
Oh yeah, for all the talk that women have no interest in seeing this film, two of my female coworkers have told me they're going to see it, one with a group of (female) friends and the other with her daughter. So there!
It seems to me like a lot of critics, the media, and a lot of the people you find on imdb are more interested in a mean spirited narrative (Andrew Stanton tries to direct a live action flick and fails miserably/Disney's 300 million blunder the new Waterworld/an uninspired CGI fest that steals from Star Wars, Avatar, and a half dozen superior films - take your pick) than judging a film on it's own merits. Roger Ebert's review was particularly idiotic. Since he couldn't find an actual pulp character to back up his swords vs. rayguns point (he would have actually had to have read some pulp fiction to pull that off), he simply made one up. Of course, anyone who's read his reviews of the previous three conan films knows that this is vintage Ebert. Why not just be honest and say "I understand that this film is taken from the Mars series by Edgar Rice Burroughs, but I've never actually read them"?
I've never been a fan of professional critics, but I'm really starting to loathe them now with the treatment of this film. They are, for the most part, a spineless, bitter, cannabalistic bunch profitting off the denigration of other's creative works.
Reminds me of an old Barsoomian joke: What do you call an airship full of movie critics at the bottom of the River Iss?
I despise Ebert, but he didn't make up the rayguns and swords example. They were written by Reginald Bretnor. They are send up of SF&Fantasy tropes and were basicaly insider jokes for fans.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feghoot
These reviews still make me sick though. I loved it when he asks "Why do the Tharks need tusks?" As Bugs bunny once said "wadda maroon!"
take care.
Doug
I'm a little wounded, but I am not slain; I will lay me down for to bleed a while, Then I'll rise and fight with you again
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#488
Posted 10 March 2012 - 12:16 AM
take care.
Doug
I'm a little wounded, but I am not slain; I will lay me down for to bleed a while, Then I'll rise and fight with you again
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#489
Posted 10 March 2012 - 12:26 AM
It's great. They took some liberties. They don't matter. Most of them work. I loved it. More later.
Turlogh shook his head. "Not so long as the race lasts."
--- The Dark Man, by Robert E. Howard
#490
Posted 10 March 2012 - 12:34 AM

Money and muscle, that's what I want; to be able to do any damned thing I want and get away with it. Money won't do that altogether, because if a man is a weakling, all the money in the world won't enable him to soak an enemy himself; on the other hand, unless he has money he may not be able to get away with it.
--Robert E. Howard to Harold Preece, ca. June 1928--
#491
Posted 10 March 2012 - 03:45 AM
A ) There are two rings on his finger, all for a reason. I'll leave it at that.
B ) I thought Mars should look more red, but it looked totally otherworldly as it was.
C ) Scenes like the one in the arena that look like previous films actually worked to its advantage in this way: this movie completes a circle. The novel inspired an entire genre and now those inspirations are refiltered through this movie.
If we can't have movies like this anymore because they're too old fashioned or whatever people want to complain about, then we're the worse off for it. The great thing is no matter what happens, they made it so that this movie will exist on its own and tells a complete story. I hope we get the other two movies and possibly other stories, but this is more than I could've asked for.
Edited by johnnypt, 10 March 2012 - 03:46 AM.
#492
Posted 10 March 2012 - 05:16 AM
I might only get ONE shot at seeing this in the theatre, and I want to do it RIGHT.
Tex
(going with The Tajia, who is 25 years old--she will probably want to borrow my Mars books afterwards)
#493
Posted 10 March 2012 - 07:28 AM
And I enjoyed it. A lot of fun. Looked great, and you could differentiate the red Martians from Carter easily. There were some liberties (some I wish I hadn't seen because I haven't read past the third book yet and I think it might've spoiled things for me about the Therns), but nothing detracting. Carter was still a Confederate captain and there were still Apaches. The battle scenes were pretty great, the arena sequence turned out better than I thought it would, and the actors all did great jobs, particularly Dejah Thoris. The leaping scenes were right out of my dreams.
It wasn't entirely perfect, there were a couple of lulls and uneven pacing, but overall I really enjoyed it. Good humor, and a good heart too.
Plus at one point during one of the aforementioned 'lulls' a boy of about eight or nine a couple rows back blurted out 'Johhhnnn CAR-ter!' so I guess he enjoyed it.
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#494
Posted 10 March 2012 - 09:27 AM
I deliberately went to the 10 pm show so I wouldn't be crowded into an undesirable seat. Nevertheless, the theater was well populated.
A number of prior questions and complaints were satisfactorily answered.
SPOILER WARNING
highlight to read.
Thark women don't have tits. They lay eggs which hatch into infants who can immediately crawl, and have a full set of baby teeth. So how come Tharks (both genders) have nipples?
Edited by Ironhand, 10 March 2012 - 09:29 AM.
"... you speak of Venarium familiarly. Perhaps you were there?"
"I was," grunted [Conan]. "I was one of the horde that swarmed over the hills. I hadn't yet seen fifteen snows, but already my name was repeated about the council fires." - "Beyond the Black River", by Robert E. Howard
Read my Conan screenplays at The Scrolls of Ironhand (in particular my transcription of THE FROST GIANT'S DAUGHTER in Act II of "The Snow Devil") at
http://www.scrollsof...d.us/index.html or at
http://www.delicious...ic=ConanProject
#495
Posted 10 March 2012 - 11:12 AM
That's it. That's my only complaint! GO SEE THIS FILM!!
take care an enjoy the weekend.
Doug
I'm a little wounded, but I am not slain; I will lay me down for to bleed a while, Then I'll rise and fight with you again
http://uncledougsbunkerofhorror.blogspot.de/
#496
Posted 10 March 2012 - 01:29 PM
The acting was good, especially Lynn Collins and Mark Strong. Kitsch was not as wooden as many have said, but maybe could have been a little more charismatic. Visually it was magnificent. The CGI worked, the "look" was spot-on, the cinematography was excellent. The ending, often the toughest part to pull off, was suburb. THis movie deserves sequels, dammit. If it fails it won't be because it's a crappy movie.
#497
Posted 10 March 2012 - 05:41 PM
#498
Posted 10 March 2012 - 05:50 PM
#499
Posted 10 March 2012 - 06:04 PM
Turlogh shook his head. "Not so long as the race lasts."
--- The Dark Man, by Robert E. Howard
#500
Posted 10 March 2012 - 06:18 PM
"Here's to brother Painbrush, we drink to his Shade..."
"All Art Is Martial"- RZA
"Our basic purist premise:
ROBERT E. HOWARD, ENTIRELY ALONE, WITHOUT ASSISTANCE FROM ANY OTHER PERSON, CREATED THE CHARACTER CONAN OF CIMMERIA. NO OTHER PERSON OR PERSONS SHOULD BE INTRUDING THEIR WORK INTO THE VOLUMES OF HOWARD'S CONAN STORIES.
In essence, we believe that the work of any creative artist -- writer, painter, illustrator, musician, what-have-you -- is a unique expression of an artistic point of view. It should not be appropriated or altered by others without the artist's consent. No other writer has Robert E. Howard's unique point of view, and no other writer knows what Howard would have done with his character had he lived. Upon his death, his canon, the expression of his artistic vision, became fixed. Tampering with it now is desecration."









