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[Herk]

You know, of course, that Conan would be what is called, genetically elite.

[Kortoso]

You know, of course, that Conan would be what is called, genetically elite.

Welcome Herk! Hope you stick around. At least introduce yourself!

[droc]

You know, of course, that Conan would be what is called, genetically elite.

No doubt he would, he comes from a warrior tribe made up exclusively of big scary dudes. Good for him. That said, anyone who uses genetics as an excuse is destined not to succeed as they're looking for excuses rather than solutions.

Throughout history of the world and especially sports, it's not the most genetically gifted, but the hardest workers, the men determined to overcome their shortcomings.

Poor genetics makes things harder, which teaches you the value of hard work and sets you up for greater succes.

DROC

[Herk]

You know, of course, that Conan would be what is called, genetically elite.

Welcome Herk! Hope you stick around. At least introduce yourself!

Hi all. Thx for the welcome. When is that "Frost Giant's Daughter" movie going to be finished?
As for me. I'm a white male. Fifty two years old. Love Conan and many other fantasy books. Waiting for the last "Wheel of Time" book to come out now. I've been working out steadily for 40 years and fooling around with it before that.

[Kortoso]

Let's stick to the topic of the thread from now on, OK?

[Herk]

Let's stick to the topic of the thread from now on, OK?

I hope your not refering to my comments. You asked me to introduce myself.

[droc]

I think he meant your comment about Frost Giant's daughter, there's another thread about that, this one is about picking up heavy things and throwing them about and stuff

DROC

[MilkManX]

I finished my Maximal strength building experiment and now the game is to get faster and more explosive with good conditioning. Using the Enter the Kettlebell Program(modifed to fit with my martial arts workouts) and going from there.

[droc]

How did the experiment go? Can you give details on what you did and what kind of results you got?

I've just started a 2xweek 5/3/1 with my own accessory work including mostly unilateral and explosive movements. I'm not doing any MA at the moment, but playing rugby a couple of times a week. Which is almost a Martial Art

DROC

[Munthasem]

Jim Wendler's 5/3/1 is one of the best starting powerlifting programs. I haven't tried it yet but did something similar in the form of 5 sets 5 reps or 3 sets 3 reps or 10 sets of 1 and so on. The thing is very simple. after the general warming up, yu do one or two lighter sets of let's say 10 reps and than do maximal weight you can handle for 5 x 5 or 3 x 3 or something like that. The thing with maximal strength is to do a maximal weight for low number of reps 1 or 2 or 3 or pyramidal such as 5,3,1 and such combinations.

After a whole winter of doing the raw strength work, I "fry" it now with some running, some gymnastics bodyweight work and rep outs with dumbells such as 4 sets to the failure. My bodyweight is fluctuating around 220 pounds but feeling good with it.
The thing is that people who are desperatelly trying to pack on size and strength don't want to do any aerobic work or bodyweight calisthenics or cut up because they fear they could lose some hard gained size and by doing so they actually don't reach some levels they could if they clean their excess fat a bit and shock their muscles in a different way. For example, I did a 374 pound squat and a 396 pounds in deadlift this year and for a first few days I started running and all those gymnastics, I couldn't do a shit. In a while, when my body adapted to the new kind of effort, all of this acumulated power started to coming into play.

Plus, the weather is really good and running through the forrest, doing some stonelifting, monkeying on the chin up bar and on the paralel bars is a real pleasure.

[droc]

Yeah, I would normally have done the heavy strength work in winter but I got kinda busy with work and kids and couldn't devote myself to it properly so I'm doing it now.

Most of my conditioning will come from Rugby, but I'll probably throw some hill-sprints and calisthenics in there too, just because I like them.

DROC

[Konorg]

remember guys oatmeal pancakes is the BREAKFAST OF CIMMERIANS!!! LOL

[droc]

Meh, I prefer meat and eggs in the morning. Usually bacon, sometimes steak.

DROC

[Kortoso]

remember guys oatmeal pancakes is the BREAKFAST OF CIMMERIANS!!! LOL

It's certainly what historical Celts ate.

[MilkManX]

How did the experiment go? Can you give details on what you did and what kind of results you got?

I've just started a 2xweek 5/3/1 with my own accessory work including mostly unilateral and explosive movements. I'm not doing any MA at the moment, but playing rugby a couple of times a week. Which is almost a Martial Art

DROC

Sure.

It was not much but chasing a bench number. I wanted to bench over 200# multiple times.
I started with a 5x5 routine @180# and every couple weeks I would add 5-10#'s

I stopped at 220# 5x5

I just wanted to see how big I could get the bench and at that level my pecs got well developed.

Funny thing is now I think I am feeling them more with the Turkish Get ups.

[RedDogDarren]

Cool topic.

Let's see......
I was inspired superheroes as depicted in comics, figured out at 10 that the way to get that look was bodybuilding, my parents got me a membership to a hardcore gym at 13, competed in 2 bodybuilding shows, won both and qualified for the NPC nationals as a teenager (19), and joined the USMC to work on personal lethality. All steroid free so that limited my size quite a bit.

Sadly I couldn't get any taller than 5'10".

[droc]

Cool topic.

Let's see......
I was inspired superheroes as depicted in comics, figured out at 10 that the way to get that look was bodybuilding, my parents got me a membership to a hardcore gym at 13, competed in 2 bodybuilding shows, won both and qualified for the NPC nationals as a teenager (19), and joined the USMC to work on personal lethality. All steroid free so that limited my size quite a bit.

Sadly I couldn't get any taller than 5'10".

Nice. When I was a youngfella I thought bodybuilding was the way forward. I followed a bodybuilding style routine it for a little while (badly) but never got anywhere near the level you clearly got to, more as a hobby. I have since changed my routine for it to be based on performance rather than aesthetics, but have a lot of respect for anyone willing to put in the amount of work and sacrifice involved in competitive bodybuilding.

DROC

[RedDogDarren]

Thanks DROC. My issues now (at 42) are working around the inconvenience of sports injuries. A separated shoulder/broken arm from motocross racing, 3 major concussions (motocross/streetbike/downhill ski), hyper-extended knee (motocross) followed by a torn ACL (baseball) in the same knee.

I'm actually pretty intact and pain free and I give credit to some of the biological armor I built when I was younger. I blame myself for the torn ACL for not listening to my body when it was in a severely depleted condition and still thinking I was invincible. Of course I like to say I ran so fast that my ACL couldn't take the strain.

[Munthasem]

The injuries are something that can really bug you in your later years and there's a bit of a problem with sport or any kind of physical activity.

If you train just to look good, stay healthy and strong in some reasonable terms, you can go pretty much injury free but it's hard to expect some limit pushing gains both in bodymass and, or strength. I mean, many of the workouts are driven by that will to blast some extra energy out, or to push your limits and to make progress either in the amount of load you're using, the number of reps and sets, a new more demanding exercises, moves and so on.

In some way, to reach your absolute max, you must be driven with some amount of insanity to break the plateau and these things can takes it's tool. You can be lucky enough not to get any serious injury or to stay strong and healthy at the old age such as Jack LaLane for example. Had he didn't catch pneumonia, I bet he'd still could do his workouts way over the 100 years old. But there's always some amount of risk.

[droc]

How did the experiment go? Can you give details on what you did and what kind of results you got?

I've just started a 2xweek 5/3/1 with my own accessory work including mostly unilateral and explosive movements. I'm not doing any MA at the moment, but playing rugby a couple of times a week. Which is almost a Martial Art

DROC

Sure.

It was not much but chasing a bench number. I wanted to bench over 200# multiple times.
I started with a 5x5 routine @180# and every couple weeks I would add 5-10#'s

I stopped at 220# 5x5

I just wanted to see how big I could get the bench and at that level my pecs got well developed.

Funny thing is now I think I am feeling them more with the Turkish Get ups.

How did the experiment go? Can you give details on what you did and what kind of results you got?

I've just started a 2xweek 5/3/1 with my own accessory work including mostly unilateral and explosive movements. I'm not doing any MA at the moment, but playing rugby a couple of times a week. Which is almost a Martial Art

DROC

Sure.

It was not much but chasing a bench number. I wanted to bench over 200# multiple times.
I started with a 5x5 routine @180# and every couple weeks I would add 5-10#'s

I stopped at 220# 5x5

I just wanted to see how big I could get the bench and at that level my pecs got well developed.

Funny thing is now I think I am feeling them more with the Turkish Get ups.

Sorry, I forgot to reply to this after asking you for details. Are we talking lb or kg there? If it's lb 220 bench for 5x5 isnt bad, if it's kg WOW.

I'd say you're probably feeling them more because you're using them differently, at different angles and intensities and all that. The bench hits the pecs, shoulders, triceps etc, but always in the same direction. Turkish getups demand more stability, so they require different muscles and different types of movement.

DROC

Thanks DROC. My issues now (at 42) are working around the inconvenience of sports injuries. A separated shoulder/broken arm from motocross racing, 3 major concussions (motocross/streetbike/downhill ski), hyper-extended knee (motocross) followed by a torn ACL (baseball) in the same knee.

I'm actually pretty intact and pain free and I give credit to some of the biological armor I built when I was younger. I blame myself for the torn ACL for not listening to my body when it was in a severely depleted condition and still thinking I was invincible. Of course I like to say I ran so fast that my ACL couldn't take the strain.

Ah, if we all knew when we were 20 what we know at 35, eh?

And even if we knew, would we have the good sense to do things differently or would we still take silly risks and depend on youth and vitality to recover?

Muscle Mass can certainly help to avoid injuries, as can the right amount of flexibility and endurance. But when we play silly sports (in your case motocross and street biking, in mine combat sports, mountain-biking and rugby) we have to live with the fact that we're gonna get injured.

Munthasem's right, if we all trained just to look good and stay relatively healthy we could likely keep going for years longer... but where's the fun in that? Oh and, chicks dig scars

DROC