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#1 Jason

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Posted 01 June 2005 - 11:51 PM

For those looking for some new Sword and Sorcery I can recommend of couple of books. It's part one and two of a series called The Prince of Nothing.

Book one is titled The Darkness that Comes Before, here's a fragment from Amazon's editorial review;

The Darkness That Comes Before is R. Scott Bakker's first novel, the beginning of a large-scale, swords and magic fantasy trilogy. It's a book with historical depth by an author as interested in exploring the philosophy of his world as its violent, conflicted politics. The novel begins a bit slowly as we're introduced to the characters and the world they live in. There's Kellhus, a warrior-monk from a city hidden away for 2000 years, and Achamian, a sorcerer and spy from the Mandate school, whose members all have recurring nightmares of an ancient war. There's an emperor who longs for godhood, a barbarian warlord, and assorted other schemers. And lingering in the background is something truly evil.
When a newly arisen leader declares Holy War, the story brings everyone together. From that moment, the narrative takes off, and Bakker's prose carries the story right along. There's a fair amount of graphic violence, broken up by occasional flashes of humour. Bakker is working a combination that's currently also being explored by Steven Erikson and Sean McMullen: big fantasy worlds with long, deep histories, and characters who can think as well as act. It's a potent mix that elevates The Darkness That Comes Before well above most of its competition and bodes well for the rest of the series. --Greg L. Johnson


Book two titled The Warrior Prophet

R. Scott Bakker established himself as a fantasy writer to watch with The Darkness That Comes Before, the first volume of his Prince of Nothing trilogy. That book largely set the scene for the epic series, introducing the main characters and providing the mandatory fantasy backdrop of an earth-shattering war against an evil, godlike figure. With the explication out of the way, Bakker is free to get on with the action, and The Warrior-Prophet is all action. The novel begins with The Holy War, a Crusades-like army made up of vying factions, invading the desert lands of the jihadist Fanhim. The following 600-plus pages feature one large battle after another, broken up only by 600-plus various subplots involving sorcerous conspiracies and the occasional romantic interlude. Hundreds of thousands die, but Bakker never loses his focus on the human side of the struggles, following the individual quests of characters in the madness of all-out war: the warrior prophet Kellus seeks to unite the strife-riven Holy War before it destroys itself--and him--in the desert; the sorcerer Achamian attempts to understand both his nightmares of the dread No-God's re-awakening and his relationship with Esmenet, a prostitute; the barbarian Cnaiur becomes a fierce leader of the war but slowly goes mad in his thirst for vengeance against Kellhus's father; and secret skin-spies of the demonic Consult seek to control events to usher in their own desired apocalypse. Bakker even pays careful attention to the minor characters, describing the heroic actions and deaths of various warriors in battle, until The Warrior-Prophet often reads more like a history, or even a battle song, than a conventional fantasy novel.
Unfortunately, this is also the book's one weakness. There are so many characters and intrigues that readers will have to frequently consult the glossary to remind themselves of who's who and why they're fighting each other. But it's probably not fair to criticize a fantasy tale for presenting a world that's too real. And it's the world of Earwa that is the real star of the trilogy, as Bakker has invested it with a breathtaking social complexity, thanks in part to his allusions to European and Middle Eastern history. Earwa deserves a place beside Tolkien's Middle-earth, Robert E. Howard's Hyborian world, and Steve Erikson's Malazan Empire in the annals of great fantasy worlds. --Peter Darbyshire


This is rapidly becoming one of my favorites series ever. Right up there along the lines of George R R Martins Game of Thrones. It mixes a lot of really cool ideas. You can really see his inspiration from authors like Howard and even Frank Herbert. ( The monk Kelhus reminds me of a male Bene Gesserit ) It's very intelligently written and the way sorcery works, well I don't think it's ever been done like that before. The barbarian warrior is definiteley Howard like, though a hell of a lot more insane than Conan. For those who've read them what did you think? And for those who haven't, give it try, I don't think anyone would regret it! Especially with Book three in the works, I think it's called Sorcerors Song.

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Posted 02 June 2005 - 02:32 AM

That sounds like an interesting series, one with a little more substance to it than the usual fantasy novels.
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Posted 02 June 2005 - 09:31 AM

Jason, I've bought volume one. After my exams I'll read it. I'm very curious if it's really such good book like it has been promissed...
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Posted 02 June 2005 - 11:49 AM

Hope you like it Jery.

I should probably warn you that the books don't pull any punches though. Some of the scenes are truly horrific and brutal, and some are down right squeamish. But a fascinating read nonetheless. Good luck on those exams.

That sounds like an interesting series, one with a little more substance to it than the usual fantasy novels.

The world this takes place in is very rich in history, culture and politics. It has a decaying, once great empire, forever at war with the heathens from the south, trying to regain it's lost glories. It has various schools of sorcery all spying on each other trying to learn each others secrets. It has nomadic barbarians who've never been defeated in battle and live only for the thrill of combat. A new mysterious religious leader who controls the fates of all his faithful. And through all this comes a monk from the distant north, one of the Dunyain, schooled in the Logos, to know that what comes after, one must know what comes before.

I read a book awhile ago called Dungeon, Fire, and Sword about the crusades, and someitimes the way the battles and such were described. It really was like reading an historical fiction book. It's grounded in a very realistic world.

Thanks for the interest.

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Posted 02 June 2005 - 02:24 PM

For those looking for some new Sword and Sorcery I can recommend of couple of books. It's part one and two of a series called The Prince of Nothing.

Jason,
Thanks for the heads up on this series. Sounds like the kind of story I've been looking for. Soon as I finish the books in my current stack I'll be picking up the first of this series.
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Posted 02 June 2005 - 09:18 PM

My pleasure. :)

I love to pimp this book so here?s a couple of passages from book 1 for those on the fence. The first captures the thrilling action and pulse-pounding prose of Howard quite well I think;

Cnaiur fell to a crouch, hacked at the greaved shin of the first man to rush him.  The fool went down.  He kicked his shield upwards, punched his blade through the bands of his armour just beneath the armpit.  Exultation.  He jerked his broadsword free, swept around and hacked at another, breaking his collarbone through the harness. ?

A third fell, vomiting blood, but the rest closed on him in numbers, led by a stone-eyed officer who bellowed, ?Die!? with every stroke of his sword.  Cnaiur obliged him, shearing away part of his jaw with his lower teeth.  Undeterred, the others crowded him with spears and shields, pressing him backward.  Another officer rushed him, a young noble with the motif of House Biaxi across his shield.  Cnaiur could see the terror in his eyes, the realization that the hulking Scylvendi before him was something more than human.  Cnaiur swatted the shortsword from his femine hands, savagely kicked him, struck.  The boy fell backward, shrieking, slapping at the blood that jetted from his groin as though it were fire.

They jostled before him, now as eager to avoid as to close with him.  ?Where are your mighty warriors??  Cnaiur screamed.  ?Show me your mighty warriors!?  His limbs fevered by all-conquering hatred, he cut them down, weak and strong alike, fighting like one mad with heartbreak, hacking shields until arms were broken, pounding figures until they stumbled and spouted plumes of blood.

The advancing ranks engulfed them, but still Cnaiur and his Utemot killed and killed, until the turf beneath their feet became bloody muck, treacherous with corpses.  The Nansur relented, scrambled back several paces, gaping at the Utemot chieftain.  Sheathing his broadsword, Cnaiur vaulted the bodies heaped before him.  He caught a wounded straggler by the throat, crushed his windpipe.  Roaring, he heaved the thrashing man above his head.

?I am the reaver!? he cried.  ?The measure of all men!?  He sent the body crashing at their feet.  ?Is there no c*ck among you??  He spat, then laughed at their astonished silence.  ?All c*nts, then."  He shook the blood from his mane, raised his broadsword anew ?

The second one I just like;

?I see,?  Gotian replied, his eyes suddenly bright with faith remembered.

?Do you??  Cnaiur asked.  ?I do not think so.  I remain a Scylvendi.?  The plainsman looked to Proyas, then swept his eyes across the illustrious assembly.  ?Do not mistake me, Inrithi.  In this much Conphas is right.  You are all staggering drunks to me.  Boys who would play at war when you should kennel with your mothers.  You know nothing of war.  War is dark.  Black as pitch.  It is not a God.  It does not laugh or weep.  It rewards neither skill nor daring.  It is not a trial of souls, not the measure of wills.  Even less is it a tool, a means to some womanish end.  It is merely the place where the iron bones of the earth meet the hollow bones of men and break them.

?You have offered me war, and I have accepted.  Nothing more.  I will not regret your losses.  I will not bow my head before you funeral pyres.  I will not rejoice at your triumphs.  But I have taken the wager.  I will suffer with you.  I will put the Fanim to the sword, and drive their wives and children to the slaughter.  And when I sleep, I will dream of their lamentations and be glad of heart."


I?m sure that?s enough eh? :P

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Posted 03 June 2005 - 11:43 PM

For those in the Toronto area R. Scott Bakker will be doing book signings on June 12th at Bakka Books, 598 Yonge St., between 3:00 and 5:00 pm.

You can actually check out This site, which lists various upcoming appearances that he will be doing.

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Posted 12 June 2005 - 05:11 PM

Don't listen to me!!!

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That appearance is from last year! Good thing I double checked before heading up there. Man, I'm a real idiot sometimes ... :huh:

I hope no one goes on my account.

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Posted 18 September 2005 - 07:18 PM

Jason,
You are right on, I just finished book 1 of this trilogy, it is killer. The world is so vibrant as are the characters. Of course as much as I dig Kellhus,Cnaiur is, next to Conan and Kane the baddest mofo I have read. Bakkers description of him with his swazond (which I think is cool) makes me cringe. I definitely wouldn't want to meet him in a dark alley. I just ordered book 2,and should get it this week, in paperback. Anyways I heartily endorse this as a masterpiece of reading. Thanks for recommending this as I would probably never heard of it. Where I live in SE Kansas the nearest bookstore besides a super Wal_Mart(which I don't count) is 45 miles away.

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Posted 23 April 2007 - 08:44 AM

I think Bakker done a hell of a job fleshing his world out. It is as grim as Hyboria.
Also I saw you in the Snowhawk Clan forums browsing feel free to respond to a topic as the guys and gals there are as passionate about REH as we are here. That is an open invitation to all Conan.com forum members drop by and shoot the bull with us. We need help teaching some of the younger people REH Conan as opposed to the pastiche Conan. :rolleyes:

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Posted 23 April 2007 - 02:29 PM

Hey KB! Great to hear from ya again. I haven't read Bakker, but I have read plenty of Glen Cook, to whom Bakker gets compared alot. I met Cook down at the WFC last year. A cool friendly guy.

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Posted 23 April 2007 - 04:12 PM

Hey KB! Great to hear from ya again. I haven't read Bakker, but I have read plenty of Glen Cook, to whom Bakker gets compared alot. I met Cook down at the WFC last year. A cool friendly guy.


Hey Deuce hows Pittsburg. Indy still here despite the tornado that went down peter pan road last year whic I live 10 blocks from. Neighbor and I stood outside and watched it touch down and follow the road. I have never read any Glen Cook but if he is like Bakker I will have to.

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Posted 23 April 2007 - 04:19 PM

Hey KB! Still in P-burg, still rockin' and readin'. When my family would visit Indy (my mom has relatives there) we always used to stop at Peter Pan Ice Cream. Great stuff, wish they were still around. Glad to hear you survived the twister. Cook's new series, The Instrumentalities of the Night, is very Howardian. Night Shade Books are also reprinting some of his classic "Dread Empire" books.

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Posted 23 April 2007 - 08:13 PM

Hows it goin K.B. - ashamed to say I stll have yet to finish the Darkness that Comes Before . I had a small stack of other books I've been whittling away at from before I got that one . I always have the bad habit of reading 2 or 3 books at the same time & it detracts from them compared to just reading one straight through with no other distractions . & after finishing the first 2 chapters of Bakkers I decided it was definitely worth waiting a short while to finish the other books I've been in first . I think so far his characterization is great , especially how he adds little bits & pieces of thoughts & insights of how his characters are thinking as opposed to how they are talking & acting , it gives a hint of something sinister & added depth compared to a straight narration . I intend to finish that one soon & most likely I'll get the others in the series immediately after if they're as good as that one seems so far .

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 10:58 AM

I should probably warn you that the books don't pull any punches though. Some of the scenes are truly horrific and brutal, and some are down right squeamish. But a fascinating read nonetheless.

The world this takes place in is very rich in history, culture and politics. It has a decaying, once great empire, forever at war with the heathens from the south, trying to regain it's lost glories. It has various schools of sorcery all spying on each other trying to learn each others secrets. It has nomadic barbarians who've never been defeated in battle and live only for the thrill of combat. A new mysterious religious leader who controls the fates of all his faithful. And through all this comes a monk from the distant north, one of the Dunyain, schooled in the Logos, to know that what comes after, one must know what comes before.


Good synopsis, Jason. B)

There are "Dune" and "LotR" elements in Bakker's trilogy. But, over it all, a Howard/CAS/Lovecraft sensibility hovers. Ancient forces from the Outer Dark seek to regain their rule. "Barbarism vs. Civilization" is a central theme, but so is the corrupting influence of the Inchoroi/Consult.

IMO, Bakker's "Scylvendi" are one of the better modern envisionings of what Howardian "steppe barbarians" might've looked like.

I read a book awhile ago called Dungeon, Fire, and Sword about the crusades, and someitimes the way the battles and such were described. It really was like reading an historical fiction book. It's grounded in a very realistic world.


Just like Robert E. Howard for his Hyborian Age, Bakker "cherry-picked" events from the First Crusade (and later) to tell his tale. I reread Harold Lamb's Iron Men and Saints and Flame of Islam (REH read both books) immediately after reading Bakker's novels. Bakker used his source material well. B)

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