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#1 kansasbarbarian

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Posted 02 December 2005 - 12:10 PM

Hey everybody,
I didn't see a review of Conan the Rogue by John Maddox Roberts which is my favorite pastiche. Would it be ok for me to give a review of it. I don't want to infringe on any ones territory. If I get a favorable response I will do it when I get home from work after a short sleep. I work a killer 12 hour swing shift. So I get off at 6a.m. and at home by 6:30 a.m. I usually will sleep until noon then putter around on the computer and will do the review then, if this is acceptable.

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Posted 02 December 2005 - 04:20 PM

Hey everybody,
I didn't see a review of Conan the Rogue by John Maddox Roberts which is my favorite pastiche. Would it be ok for me to give a review of it. I don't want to infringe on any ones territory. I


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Posted 02 December 2005 - 04:54 PM

The more reviews the better KansasB. I just wish there was a place on this site where people could quickly go to get a rating of all the pastiches. I would like to see some reviews of the three Sean A. Moore books. :D

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Posted 02 December 2005 - 06:45 PM

Conan the Rogue by John Maddox Roberts
Tor books 1991 304 pages
Cover by Ken Kelly


This is a rousing tale that does justice to our favorite Cimmerian. I think it was well thought out and is easily followed.

Storyline( I will try to avoid being spoilerish):

The story starts out as Conan is gambling with other mercenaries after a succesful campaign of putting down a rebellion in Nemedia. With a final roll of the dice Conan loses every thing but his sword. The winner offered one more throw for the sword but Conan said no,with my sword I will win more riches which he set out to do. As the cimmerian leaves the tavern he is followed by an effeminate man in purple reeking of lilac scents. Of course Conan knows he he is being followed. Conan confronts the man and asks why he is following him. He said he was willing to pay most handsomely for Conans service, since I saw you lost all your money at the tavern.Conan says he has never been broke enough to come to the likes of him for money.Ha. the guy says no you misunderstand it's a mission, and I will pay one thousand golden dinshas which of course the barbarian loves to hear. He takes 200 golden dinshas to outfit him for the travels.He says he is looking for a valuable object but won't tell Conan what it exactly is. He descibes the proportion and tells him it is in Sicas, Aquilonia. Sicas only claim to fame was the silver mines that flourished 3 centuries before. Now it is mostly played out but still yields modest silver. Now Sicas is Aquilonias version of Shadizar the wicked. Conan sets out for Sicas and aids a young lady who is attacked and about to get raped. Conan kills one of the accosters and learns that the lady is going to Sicas looking for her younger sister that ran off with a ne'er do well. When the get to Sicas there is a gang fight going on in the middle of the town square. Conan istantly feels at home where you can murder indiscriminately without fear of reprisal. Conan learns there are 5 main gangs in town along with the kings reeve and various others who are trying to run the town. Once Conan sees which way the wind is blowing he gets knee deep in the intrigue. From here on out it gets very interesting. Conan finds a way to get in everyones pockets. He runs into trouble after learning the object he is looking for is a magical artifact, which everyone wants for one reason or another. Conan deals out his brand of justice while getting the object. At the end all the plotlines come together in a fitting way. Conan is one of a few people who actually leaves Sicas in better financial shape than when he came. The last line is classic when a soldier asks Conan how he did all the things he did. Conan answered " That was a town of rogues my friend and I am the greatest rogue of all."
I give this book a rating of 4 out of 5. Lots of great fighting and Conan also gets to use his brains.

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Posted 02 December 2005 - 11:18 PM

I will pay one thousand golden dinshas which of course the barbarian loves to hear. He takes 200 golden dinshas to outfit him for the travels.



Dinshas? :blink:

Are you sure it wasn't Brak the Rogue? :rolleyes:

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Posted 03 December 2005 - 03:05 AM

Conan the Rogue by John Maddox Roberts..
..The last line is classic when a soldier asks Conan how he did all the things he did. Conan answered " That was a town of rogues my friend and I am the greatest rogue of all."
I give this book a rating of 4 out of 5. Lots of great fighting and Conan also gets to use his brains.

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hey Kansasbarbarian, many thanks for your nice Review of 'ROGUE' by my fave conan pastiche writer JMRoberts.

Rogue is entertaining + clever conning stuff.
did u notice many similarities with the basic plots of 2 famous films? it reminds me a lot of A FISTFULL OF DOLLARS [with conan playing clint Eastwood?], + THE MALTESE FALCON [about the item plot?]

needless to say, my fave scenes are in the evil temple with the wierd mutations + the gi-normously buxom statue of the fertility goddess! :D

its not my fave JMR book [those would be VALOROUS 9, BOLD 8, + TREASURE OF PYTHON 9 [the numbers are my ratings]] but it is pretty good.
i rate it 7 /10. well worth a read. :)
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thanks for reminding + inspiring me to post some views on Rogue [there are lots more reviews i would like to do but i cant find time].
i hope u [ + anybody else?] will continue to post more reviews when u get time, please?
the more reviews + rating scores we get for each book is better to help all fans + generates more views + discussions.
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Posted 03 December 2005 - 04:36 AM

The more reviews the better KansasB. I just wish there was a place on this site where people could quickly go to get a rating of all the pastiches. I would like to see some reviews of the three Sean A. Moore books. :D

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hi RAGGEDYMAN.
i've just posted a new topic about Moores books to help u.
please leave your comments in there?
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Posted 05 December 2005 - 11:24 PM

Glad to see your review. If you have any more that you would like to do feel free as I like to read what others think. I am in the first stages of doing a review for all conan stories. :) I am reading them at lightning speed but its still is gonna take alot of time!
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Posted 06 December 2005 - 12:20 AM

Okay,I was quite able to see "The Malteese Falcon."Where dose "A fistful of dollars "come in?

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Posted 06 December 2005 - 03:57 AM

Great review! one of my favorites as well, Roberts is good and what a classic line at the end. Conan in the Rogue makes me think of an old saying, "you caint out fox the fox."

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Posted 06 December 2005 - 08:13 AM

Okay,I was quite able to see "The Malteese Falcon."Where dose "A fistful of dollars "come in?

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here are a collection of sections of several REVIEWS of ROGUE which u should find interesting + usefull. [ i collected them from sites like amazon + barnes+noble over 2 years ago when i was researching all the tor books. i had forgotten about my old notes till now. please look up the full reviews when u get time? my sincere thanks to all the reviewers whose work is shown as samples below...]

>>[[ Rogue sample reviews..
Everyone in the corrupt city of Sicas wants the priceless treasure Conan of Cimmeria has come there to find. Beautiful women who offer smiles, kisses--and maybe a knife in the back. A priest who may be closer to his goddess than he thinks. Noble lords, and the bosses of criminal gangs, and a fop whose perfumed kerchief may hide poison. All are willing to kill for the artifact, but none realize the horror in can unleash, a hellish menace that only one man can face.

others compared this book to "The Maltese Falcon" -- I'm thinking it's much closer to "A Fistful of Dollars." Anyone who thinks of Conan as a musclebound oaf should read this novel and watch Conan play the different elements of the town against each other. Part of the fun of the book for me was watching Conan maneuver people around, always to his advantage, along with all the signature Conan action. Highly, highly recommended.

This was a great Conan book, my favorite of all the non-Howard stories. Not your typical hack and slash adventure, but a slightly humorous tale of several rival factions that hire Conan to clean up a town (i.e. eliminate their enemies). Conan follows their instructions to the letter with results considerably different from what they intended. Playing multiple sides against each other, Conan remains master of the situation. This really shows a different side to Conan rather than the simple muscled barbarian. Plenty of action, good vivid descriptions of a town and characters that seems realistic, culminating in a decent monster battle. and a good story.

The previous reviewers were correct in noting that the book is derived heavily from "A Fistful of Dollars". Although it must be pointed out that "A Fistful of Dollars" was based on a 1961 B&W Kurosawa movie "Yojimbo" (The Bodyguard).
it was good seeing Conan in a somewhat more "brainy" role .
The in-joke is that "Fistful," like "Rogue," is inspired by "Red Harvest" -- a novel by the author of "The Maltese Falcon," Dashiell Hammett!
John Maddox Roberts does a very good job of smooshing at least two detective novels' plots into a new sword-and-sorcery story. He handles Conan himself well, too.
and remember that Robert E. Howard was writing for the pulps at the same time as Hammett, which adds to Roberts's in-joke. ]]<<
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me - i recognised fistfull of dollars when i read rogue, but i was not familiar with maltese falcon then. i have seen falcon since + agree with these reviewers. + i suspect that the last comments are from someone who knows JMR + is probably a fellow writer? :)

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Posted 07 December 2005 - 01:22 AM

Okay,at the risk of appearing to be seen as rather obtuse,I guess I need to have a few things spelled out.
There was no problem seeing "The Malteese Falcon"in this story.It practically came out and bit me on the nose.Greenstreet,Lorre,and mary Astor(the lying woman supposedly looking for her sister and the eloping boyfriend.)
There's another plot where there's a magistrate hiring Conan,and he's in rivalry with another bigshot in the town.There are a variety of intrigues,and gang wars.Which film(s) is this taken from?

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Posted 07 December 2005 - 01:50 AM

Okay,at the risk of appearing to be seen as rather obtuse,I guess I need to have a few things spelled out.
There was no problem seeing "The Malteese Falcon"in this story.It practically came out and bit me on the nose.Greenstreet,Lorre,and mary Astor(the lying woman supposedly looking for her sister and the eloping boyfriend.)
There's another plot where there's a magistrate hiring Conan,and he's in rivalry with another bigshot in the town.There are a variety of intrigues,and gang wars.Which film(s) is this taken from?

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In A Fistful Of Dollars, Clint Eastwood's character gets involved with two rival outfits and plays them off against each other. That film was a remake of the Kurosawa film Yojimbo.
Dashiell Hammett wrote The Maltese Falcon, and he also wrote Red Harvest, which was about a detective who went to clean up the town of Personville (Poisonville), and he also gets involved with two rival gangs and plays them off against each other.
Last Man Standing with Bruce Willis has him in the midst of a gang war, too.
I've not read the Conan book, but it sounds as if Conan finds himself in a similar situation to the characters in the other films and books.


Red Harvest

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Posted 07 December 2005 - 06:08 AM

Kurosawa was influenced by the films of John Ford, so I suppose that it's possible that he was influenced by Hammett, too.
As with Raymond Chandler, it's a pleasure to read the detective stories of Dashiell Hammett, and Red Harvest might be his best.
I think that Bruce Willis made a film called Last Man Standing which was based on the same story.

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Hi Kail, or the Beekan. According to David Carradine in his book SPIRIT OF SHAOLIN, Roger Corman said to him:
"Let me tell you a story. When FIST FULL OF DOLLARS opened in Tokyo, Kurosawa's friends called him up and said `You must see this picture.'
Kurosawa replied, "Yes I understand it is rather like YOJIMBO.'
`No, it's not like YOJIMBO; it is YOJIMBO. You have to sue these people.'
`I can't sue them,' he responded.
`Why not?'
`Because,' Kurosawa confessed, `YOJIMBO is Dashiel Hammet's RED HARVEST."
Corman said this to Carradine, after Carradine read the script for CAIN OF DARK PLANET, which was released as THE WARRIOR AND THE SORCERESS (around 1984).
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Posted 17 October 2007 - 12:04 PM

honestly, this one is my fav out of all of the pastiches i've read... I actually thought this book was excellent and it even rivals some of reh's conan work for me. I actually read this one as a kid when it came out in trade paper back and then I found it on ebay recently and reread it. I thoroughly enjoyed it (much more so than some of the other pastiches like Conan the Champion and Conan the Formidable). I find this one to be an excellent introduction to the pastiche books and it worked well as my introduction to Conan books in general many years ago. I truely recommend this one to all fans of Conan. The plot has some great turns and it's full of action and intrigue.

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Posted 17 October 2007 - 12:15 PM

Corman said this to Carradine, after Carradine read the script for CAIN OF DARK PLANET, which was released as THE WARRIOR AND THE SORCERESS (around 1984).

To give the man his due, Corman did add the key element of a six-breasted prostitute. ;)
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Posted 24 April 2008 - 06:07 AM

" Conan the Rogue" is my favorite! Roberts has writen some of the best Conan.

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Posted 24 April 2008 - 10:49 PM

Definately a favorite with me too. Very clever of JMR to mix his pulp genres to create something better than a run-of-the-mill pastiche. If only more writers would do that.
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Posted 25 April 2008 - 02:10 AM

I loved that story. The last conversation in the novel IS Conan.

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Posted 06 August 2008 - 03:02 AM

I finished it last night. A very good Conan novel. I plan to try more of JMR's Conan stuff. I like the corrupt city of Sicas and the way Conan uses all the players to his benefit. He rides out of town with a bag of loot and another buried, classic stuff.