Nope, the Cimmerians ARE Celts, more specifically, Irish; they believe in the Celtic pantheon, and have Irish names. The Picts, by physical description (short brown men) and naming practices, can't be Celts, but if you insist, them they are one of the ancestors of the Scots.
The Nemedians are culturally and linguistically related to the Aquilonians.
Cimmeria: Its People and Culture
Started by Orkin, Apr 27 2003 11:54 PM
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Posted 01 August 2004 - 10:24 PM
"Did you deem yourself strong, because you were able to twist the heads off civilized folk, poor weaklings with muscles like rotten string? Hell! Break the neck of a wild Cimmerian bull before you call yourself strong. I did that, before I was a full-grown man...!" - Conan, in "Shadows in Zamboula", by Robert E. Howard
"... you speak of Venarium familiarly. Perhaps you were there?"
"I was," grunted [Conan]. "I was one of the horde that swarmed over the hills. I hadn't yet seen fifteen snows, but already my name was repeated about the council fires." - "Beyond the Black River", by Robert E. Howard
Read my Conan screenplays at The Scrolls of Ironhand (in particular my transcription of THE FROST GIANT'S DAUGHTER in Act II of "The Snow Devil") at
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"... you speak of Venarium familiarly. Perhaps you were there?"
"I was," grunted [Conan]. "I was one of the horde that swarmed over the hills. I hadn't yet seen fifteen snows, but already my name was repeated about the council fires." - "Beyond the Black River", by Robert E. Howard
Read my Conan screenplays at The Scrolls of Ironhand (in particular my transcription of THE FROST GIANT'S DAUGHTER in Act II of "The Snow Devil") at
http://www.scrollsof...d.us/index.html or at
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Posted 01 August 2004 - 10:26 PM
Well that is the way I felt, although some descriptions of the Picts made me think of Native Americans...but it doesnt really matter BECAUSE this is not our age, it is the Hyborean age, a much better age then todays.
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Posted 02 August 2004 - 12:43 AM
I took the name Nial from Conan's father. It is true that Conan, Conn, Nial and some other names are Celtic in Origin..but I do not see Cimmerians as Celts. I have never seen a Cimmerian with red hair, and I do not recall reading about any. Correct me if you have an instance, and I will check it to my collection.
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Posted 26 November 2004 - 08:05 PM
isnt conan a welsh name?
but I cant remember where I read this but it said the Cimmerians became the scots,or atleast the highland part.
the peoples of asgard and the vanir are norse.
the picts dont sound like the picts in our world,our picts werent really small dark people,nor were they primitive as they are in conans world.
I thought the people of brythunia sounded a little irish.
but I cant remember where I read this but it said the Cimmerians became the scots,or atleast the highland part.
the peoples of asgard and the vanir are norse.
the picts dont sound like the picts in our world,our picts werent really small dark people,nor were they primitive as they are in conans world.
I thought the people of brythunia sounded a little irish.
The only way to take the steel away from a cimmerian is to pry it from his own dead fingers.
you take a highlanders claymore be ready to have a broken arm,try to take a highlanders home be ready for a fight,take a highlanders scotch,be ready to meet your maker.
you take a highlanders claymore be ready to have a broken arm,try to take a highlanders home be ready for a fight,take a highlanders scotch,be ready to meet your maker.
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Posted 26 November 2004 - 08:26 PM
Conan is actually a Celtic name, depending on where you look it can mean "intelligent","wolf", "wise" and my personal, and what I think most appropriate "gentle warrior"isnt conan a welsh name?
btw, Did you all know Scotland had a saint called Conan, he has a church bearing his name too... I wonder if REH knew that?
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Posted 26 November 2004 - 08:50 PM
no I didnt know scotland had a saint named conan.
all those meanings for conan's name suit him well.
all those meanings for conan's name suit him well.
The only way to take the steel away from a cimmerian is to pry it from his own dead fingers.
you take a highlanders claymore be ready to have a broken arm,try to take a highlanders home be ready for a fight,take a highlanders scotch,be ready to meet your maker.
you take a highlanders claymore be ready to have a broken arm,try to take a highlanders home be ready for a fight,take a highlanders scotch,be ready to meet your maker.
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Posted 27 November 2004 - 12:13 AM
btw, Did you all know Scotland had a saint called Conan, he has a church bearing his name too... I wonder if REH knew that?
Where at in Scotland is it Budgie? I'd like to go visit that someday!
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Posted 27 November 2004 - 10:31 AM
Im gonna have to get a job with the Scottish Tourist Board 
You will find St Conans kirk (Scots for church) on the west coast of Scotland, aint been there but I may take a run up myself at some point in the summer..
In the meantime heres a link to a page with full history and pics - St Conans Kirk
If you like your history then Scotlands full of it.. stone age forwards.. always well worth a visit..
Scots wae hae..
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You will find St Conans kirk (Scots for church) on the west coast of Scotland, aint been there but I may take a run up myself at some point in the summer..
In the meantime heres a link to a page with full history and pics - St Conans Kirk
If you like your history then Scotlands full of it.. stone age forwards.. always well worth a visit..
Scots wae hae..
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Posted 27 November 2004 - 08:35 PM
I just looked him up in the lives of the saints and his feast day is January 26, we should take this day for our favorite barbarian and have a drink in his honor. It did not say what he is the patron saint of. If he was anything like the Cimmerian then he must be the patron of pirates, thieves and wenchers. LOL 
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Posted 28 November 2004 - 05:26 AM
The Conan I know isnt any saint. Instead of having that drink for Mr. Saint on 1/26, have a drink 1/22 for Mr. Barbarian, Bob Howard.
"Maddened with the sight of victory, these wild peoples were like wounded tigers, feeling no wounds, and dying on their feet with their last gasp a snarl of fury."
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
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Posted 28 November 2004 - 06:08 AM
Holy Crow!... You will find St Conans kirk (Scots for church) on the west coast of Scotland... heres a link to a page with full history and pics - St Conans Kirk...
That is one heckuva church! Well-deserving its name.Do all kirks in Scotland look like little castles or mini-forts?
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Posted 28 November 2004 - 06:21 AM
There is another thread on the real-world equivalents of Howard's Hyborian nations and people here.
Just today, I was watching a program on History International or something about Roman history and I was very interested to learn that the Roman word for the island of Ireland was Hibernia. It was never conquered by the Romans when they invaded the British Isles. More details here.
I wonder if Hibernia inspired Howard's name for his own world, Hyboria. Much has been said of the Celtic influences in Conan.
Any thoughts?
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Just today, I was watching a program on History International or something about Roman history and I was very interested to learn that the Roman word for the island of Ireland was Hibernia. It was never conquered by the Romans when they invaded the British Isles. More details here.
I wonder if Hibernia inspired Howard's name for his own world, Hyboria. Much has been said of the Celtic influences in Conan.
Any thoughts?
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Posted 28 November 2004 - 10:12 AM
SkiSwope,
Scots churches are like churches everywhere.. the come in all sizes and shapes, some are pretty old too.. quite impressive though..btw theres also a Castle Conan there but I aint found any pics yet..
TroceroQuijas,
Personally I dont need an excuse to have a drink but for those inclined you could always have a drink on each day.. sacrimental wine on the 26th and some good strong liquer on the 22nd.. keeps everybody happy then.
Budgie
Scots churches are like churches everywhere.. the come in all sizes and shapes, some are pretty old too.. quite impressive though..btw theres also a Castle Conan there but I aint found any pics yet..
TroceroQuijas,
Personally I dont need an excuse to have a drink
but for those inclined you could always have a drink on each day.. sacrimental wine on the 26th and some good strong liquer on the 22nd.. keeps everybody happy then.Budgie
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Posted 28 November 2004 - 11:35 AM
Did anyone notice the ad on the same page for the bed-and-breakfast in St. Conan's tower? How'd you like to stay there? 
"Did you deem yourself strong, because you were able to twist the heads off civilized folk, poor weaklings with muscles like rotten string? Hell! Break the neck of a wild Cimmerian bull before you call yourself strong. I did that, before I was a full-grown man...!" - Conan, in "Shadows in Zamboula", by Robert E. Howard
"... you speak of Venarium familiarly. Perhaps you were there?"
"I was," grunted [Conan]. "I was one of the horde that swarmed over the hills. I hadn't yet seen fifteen snows, but already my name was repeated about the council fires." - "Beyond the Black River", by Robert E. Howard
Read my Conan screenplays at The Scrolls of Ironhand (in particular my transcription of THE FROST GIANT'S DAUGHTER in Act II of "The Snow Devil") at
http://www.scrollsof...d.us/index.html or at
http://www.delicious...ic=ConanProject
"... you speak of Venarium familiarly. Perhaps you were there?"
"I was," grunted [Conan]. "I was one of the horde that swarmed over the hills. I hadn't yet seen fifteen snows, but already my name was repeated about the council fires." - "Beyond the Black River", by Robert E. Howard
Read my Conan screenplays at The Scrolls of Ironhand (in particular my transcription of THE FROST GIANT'S DAUGHTER in Act II of "The Snow Devil") at
http://www.scrollsof...d.us/index.html or at
http://www.delicious...ic=ConanProject
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Posted 28 November 2004 - 05:42 PM
Oh yeah. That religious vampirism. Na, I'll stick that one out.sacrimental wine on the 26th
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Oh, heres something for ya: theres a late night talk show named Conan O'brian. Yeah hes Conan the Cimmerian's decendant ya know. Considering his name is Conan and he's of Scot decent, right? Yeah he looks like a warrior. Probably as much as a christian saint.
"Maddened with the sight of victory, these wild peoples were like wounded tigers, feeling no wounds, and dying on their feet with their last gasp a snarl of fury."
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
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Posted 28 November 2004 - 10:28 PM
ToceroQuijas,Oh yeah. That religious vampirism. Na, I'll stick that one out.sacrimental wine on the 26th
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Oh, heres something for ya: theres a late night talk show named Conan O'brian. Yeah hes Conan the Cimmerian's decendant ya know. Considering his name is Conan and he's of Scot decent, right? Yeah he looks like a warrior. Probably as much as a christian saint.
I take it your not a christian then.. dont worry, neither am I
I wasnt being serious in the first place.. if folks wanna celebrate REH's birthday, some saints birthday or thier cats birthday on any given day then good luck to them, theyre free to do so thats all I was referring to.. my appologies if my form of humour didnt get through to you 
O'Brians actually an Irish name not Scots btw.
You gotta learn to chill out a bit.. lifes to short to get stressed out.
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Posted 29 November 2004 - 12:29 AM
I wasnt to be taken seriously either.
Dont worry man, Im cool. This for me is what its all about. In the Hyborian Age this form of communication would be sorcery, but in my younger years as a Conan/REH fan, I would have never thought I would be able to discuss REH with this variety of people & ages as I do now.
Kinda like we are looking into the mirrors of Tuzun Thune.
I mean whats up to Scotland from Texas, eh budgie?
Dont worry man, Im cool. This for me is what its all about. In the Hyborian Age this form of communication would be sorcery, but in my younger years as a Conan/REH fan, I would have never thought I would be able to discuss REH with this variety of people & ages as I do now.
Kinda like we are looking into the mirrors of Tuzun Thune.
I mean whats up to Scotland from Texas, eh budgie?
"Maddened with the sight of victory, these wild peoples were like wounded tigers, feeling no wounds, and dying on their feet with their last gasp a snarl of fury."
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
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Posted 29 November 2004 - 01:46 AM
Great link Budgie! When I come out that way I'll have to look you up so you can recommend some good places to visit while I'm there!Im gonna have to get a job with the Scottish Tourist Board
You will find St Conans kirk (Scots for church) on the west coast of Scotland, aint been there but I may take a run up myself at some point in the summer..
In the meantime heres a link to a page with full history and pics - St Conans Kirk
If you like your history then Scotlands full of it.. stone age forwards.. always well worth a visit..
Scots wae hae..
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Posted 29 November 2004 - 01:59 AM
Great information Ski. Looking at the map that was provided on that website it certainly seems feasible to me. A lot of the area shown to encompass what was known as Hibernia relates to some of the places that were mentioned in the other post that you also linked.
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Posted 29 November 2004 - 03:15 AM
I would also like to add that the romans didnt get all of scotland.
it could be he did,he relates alot of his world and peoples to names of our world,like pictland and asgard.
it could be he did,he relates alot of his world and peoples to names of our world,like pictland and asgard.
The only way to take the steel away from a cimmerian is to pry it from his own dead fingers.
you take a highlanders claymore be ready to have a broken arm,try to take a highlanders home be ready for a fight,take a highlanders scotch,be ready to meet your maker.
you take a highlanders claymore be ready to have a broken arm,try to take a highlanders home be ready for a fight,take a highlanders scotch,be ready to meet your maker.
