Death Of Conan: Does Conan Ever Die?
#1
Posted 10 October 2003 - 11:09 PM
Does anybody know how does Conan die? Is there a story or commic that covers Death of Conan?
#2
Posted 11 October 2003 - 12:10 AM
"... you speak of Venarium familiarly. Perhaps you were there?"
"I was," grunted [Conan]. "I was one of the horde that swarmed over the hills. I hadn't yet seen fifteen snows, but already my name was repeated about the council fires." - "Beyond the Black River", by Robert E. Howard
Read my Conan screenplays at The Scrolls of Ironhand (in particular my transcription of THE FROST GIANT'S DAUGHTER in Act II of "The Snow Devil") at
http://www.scrollsof...d.us/index.html or at
http://www.delicious...ic=ConanProject
#3
Posted 11 October 2003 - 03:20 AM
Heh, I pretty much have a great idea how much of his later life happened, but it is getting TOR to accept such an idea...sigh.
Must fare and fade and fall.
I am the Dark Barbarian
That towers over all.
-Robert E. Howard, "A Word
from the Outer Dark"
#4
Posted 11 October 2003 - 04:01 AM
The Khitains, naturally a superstitious lot, deemed Conan to be the Forrest God come to life and set him up with his own island deep in the middle of the new ocean, surrounded by one thousand beautiful Khitain handmaidens, where he lived to a ripe old age and subsequently died while getting his freak on.
Okay... I made that up. But that's how I'd want to go.
"Damned degenerates!" ~ Conan 'Xuthal Of The Dusk'
#5
Posted 11 October 2003 - 04:51 AM
Freebooter
I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky.
The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing;
Rush in and die dogs--I was a man before I was a king!
---From The Road of Kings
#6
Posted 11 October 2003 - 08:40 AM
"...when the giant came crashing through that door, he would explode in another savage onslaught with the useless sword, not because he expected it to do any good, but because it was his nature to die fighting."
"One watching him would not have realized that he was waiting for a death he regarded as inevitable."
#7
Posted 11 October 2003 - 01:40 PM
And force upon Mankind the Freedom he fears--
And dead gods I will again defy?"
#8
Posted 12 October 2003 - 06:18 AM
I guarantee you will like it.
I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky.
The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing;
Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king.
- "The Road of Kings"
#9
Posted 14 October 2003 - 11:30 PM
#10
Posted 15 October 2003 - 12:43 AM
"... you speak of Venarium familiarly. Perhaps you were there?"
"I was," grunted [Conan]. "I was one of the horde that swarmed over the hills. I hadn't yet seen fifteen snows, but already my name was repeated about the council fires." - "Beyond the Black River", by Robert E. Howard
Read my Conan screenplays at The Scrolls of Ironhand (in particular my transcription of THE FROST GIANT'S DAUGHTER in Act II of "The Snow Devil") at
http://www.scrollsof...d.us/index.html or at
http://www.delicious...ic=ConanProject
#11
Posted 15 October 2003 - 03:44 AM
#12
Posted 15 October 2003 - 11:19 AM
... blacksagelobo Wrote:
>The Illuminatus Trilogy has Conan return from the West and fight a Great Old One with his son.
- For the folks like myself, un-initiated to these sagas, where can those mentioned sources be found ( are they those SF/Fant. pb's with that same Title?)?
Cheers, Danny.
#13
Posted 15 October 2003 - 07:54 PM
#14
Posted 15 October 2003 - 09:04 PM
I assume that's a passing reference in the bookThe Illuminatus Trilogy has Conan return from the West and fight a Great Old One with his son.
The Illuminatus Trilogy: The Eye in the Pyramid, the Golden Apple & Leviathanby Robert Shea, Robert Anton Wilson
(excerpt at http://www.amazon.co...=glance&s=books )?
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#15
Posted 15 October 2003 - 10:30 PM
No not making this up. If you did a web search you would have found...You guys sound as if you're all making up stuff. Please, properly reference stuff. What is this silly trilogy about?
I assume that's a passing reference in the book
The Illuminatus Trilogy: The Eye in the Pyramid, the Golden Apple & Leviathanby Robert Shea, Robert Anton Wilson
Certainly not RAW's best work, but entertaining none the less. BTW, RAW is my favorate living author.
#16
Posted 16 October 2003 - 03:20 AM
I like that idea, too, that he'd done as much as he could on one continent and set off to explore another, as if it were just another adventure. I also like to think that his disappearance spawned any number of messiah-type stories in the various lands where he'd made himself known. You know--"Amra disappeared into the unknown West, but he's not dead; he's going to return someday and lead us to victory!"I prefer the idea of Conan just sailing away into the unknown. The ambiguity is great, rather than saying "oh he died this way!".
#17
Posted 16 October 2003 - 09:06 AM
... sat Wrote:
>I assume that's a passing reference in the book
The Illuminatus Trilogy: The Eye in the Pyramid, the Golden Apple & Leviathanby Robert Shea, Robert Anton Wilson.
- Thanks for letting us know. Appreciated. But can either of you gents please give me/us the source-location of that mention, and maybe the quote?
Cheers , Danny.
#18
Posted 16 October 2003 - 09:41 PM
Hmm..I am glad that REH never wrote about Conan's death. An epic hero like him does not need to be included in such mortal things like death. Actually I never pictured him getting old either. More like reaching his prime and staying there sort of immortal.
Freebooter
I have some vague recollection of a mention about him becoming a king, staying put (with gorgeous and brave wife, which he had quickly seduced but who had saved his life and kingdom nonetheless), remaining king and siring a bunch of big boys.
And I'd actually prefer Conan to quit adventuring at age 35-45 and settle down as a king, proving that he has brains to match his brawn. (That he'd keep hale and hearty and maybe go out to a final battle and die there in his 70:es, just like Teoderik died to stop Attila the Hun
#19
Posted 16 October 2003 - 10:28 PM
Well... who's to say that a man has to settle down. After all, Conan certainly isn't our typically guy, or even hero.And I'd actually prefer Conan to quit adventuring at age 35-45 and settle down as a king, proving that he has brains to match his brawn.
Conan comes across plenty of old-man-adventurer's in his journeys (Comic-wise). I think also Howard wanted to leave Conan open-ended and unsettled.
Purposely Howard had Conan set off for the new continent to further enforce the whole 'barbarism vs civilization' concept. Conan just couldn't take being a king anymore so the man just took off. Makes sense to me. His primal urges basically said "screw this! I want more adventure"! And it was left ambiguous so we don't wonder what happened to the old killer, yet his legacy still lives on... well... until the Rise of the Sons of Aryas.
That's the way I see it.
#20
Posted 18 October 2003 - 06:57 AM
Howard did this? When? ( I just never heard about it )Purposely Howard had Conan set off for the new continent to further enforce the whole 'barbarism vs civilization' concept.
In my Swedish translations the last (Conan Chronology) story is the novel about him being king (which they placed after the similiar short story time-wise)
And who is saying that being king is a lazy bums work? Conan is still reviled and/or despised by the poncy noblemen (even though he is well liked by competent men) and the age that the world was entering was the final destruction of civilization before our age.
I think Conan would find battles enough, both on the throne and on the field, although if his kingdom is ravaged enough (he lost a lot of soldiers in that last story) then maybe he would move, but I doubt he would do it just for fun (since moving away signals defeat)










