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Posted 10 October 2003 - 11:19 PM

Hi Folks on the net I found the story of new Conan movie!!! It sucks! What do you think?
STORY

This tale of high adventure is set in the Hyborian Age (c. 10,000 B.C.). The Cimmerian barbarian Conan, after siring a love child with some The Daughter of the Snows, serves as a warrior in the forces of the Aquilonian army under the command of a tribune named Gaius Metallus. Conan needs to bring back "the jewels of an Empire" to The Daughter of the Snows if he ever wants to see his new son.

After serving in the Aquilonian army for some time (and winning the respect of Metallus), Conan returns to The Daughter of the Snows, hands over to her the aforementioned jewels, and promptly leaves with his young son whom he names Kon.

Now a single dad, Conan takes young Kon under his wing as he continues to fight for the "civilized" Aquilonians. Metallus soon offers Conan (on behalf of the Emperor) a deal too good to be true. Conan is named the king of Zingara; in return, the Emperor keeps his son. Kon will be educated in the ways of warfare, philosophy, and "civilization." Conan agrees; father and son remain separated for over a decade.

During that time, King Conan grows paunchy and bored. He forgets what it means to be a man and a barbarian warlord. Meanwhile, Kon attends the imperial warrior academy where the Emperor's young son, Fortunas, becomes the bane of his existence. Since Fortunas is untouchable, Kon keeps quiet and learns how to take a beating. He grows meaner and tougher over time. Years later, Conan gets himself into trouble with the Aquilonians. He's made peace with Orlock Mac Morn and the Picts. This bold move was a big mistake in the eyes of the new Emperor... Fortunas.

Fortunas visits Conan, bringing with him some of his finest troops including Kon, now a grown man. When assassination attempts against Conan fail, Fortunas decides to settle his hash the old fashioned way: army to army. Now on the run, Conan forms his own army of warriors ("citizen soldiers" if you will) with Kon by his side and his new allies the Picts in tow. Conan and his troops square off against Fortunas and his best soldiers to determine who will rule Zingara.

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Posted 11 October 2003 - 12:25 AM

This was the first draft of a plot for the widely touted King Conan: Crown of Iron, which will probably not take place now since the star of the film will want to be a full time governor. If you want to read my parody of this plot, entitled King Clonan: Clown of Iron, go to

http://www.conan.no/...ing_clonan.html
"Did you deem yourself strong, because you were able to twist the heads off civilized folk, poor weaklings with muscles like rotten string? Hell! Break the neck of a wild Cimmerian bull before you call yourself strong. I did that, before I was a full-grown man...!" - Conan, in "Shadows in Zamboula", by Robert E. Howard
"... you speak of Venarium familiarly. Perhaps you were there?"
"I was," grunted [Conan]. "I was one of the horde that swarmed over the hills. I hadn't yet seen fifteen snows, but already my name was repeated about the council fires." - "Beyond the Black River", by Robert E. Howard

Read my Conan screenplays at The Scrolls of Ironhand (in particular my transcription of THE FROST GIANT'S DAUGHTER in Act II of "The Snow Devil") at
http://www.scrollsof...d.us/index.html or at
http://www.delicious...ic=ConanProject

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Posted 11 October 2003 - 02:30 AM

Hmm, this looks familiar...

What part is Russell Crowe playing again?
"Their present king is the most renowned warrior among the western nations. He is an outlander, an adventurer who seized the crown by force during a time of civil strife, strangling King Namedides with his own hands, upon the very throne. His name is Conan, and no man can stand before him in battle." ~ Orastes, 'The Hour Of The Dragon'

"Damned degenerates!" ~ Conan 'Xuthal Of The Dusk'

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Posted 11 October 2003 - 03:15 AM

Just saw this on SUPER HERO HYPE

King Conan: Crown of Iron Lives Source: ComingSoon.net Friday, October 10, 2003

According to ComingSoon.net, writer/director John Milius definitely plans to go forward with King Conan: Crown of Iron without the newly-elected California Governor, Arnold Schwarzenegger.

"This could be John's best script ever," says a source about the Conan the Barbarian follow-up. There's a challenging Conan role and it contains five significant female roles.

Someone close to the project says there will be advantages about going with another actor. It'll be cheaper to make, no studio interference, it'll be possible to shoot in exotic locales for which Arnold wouldn't get insurance from the studio, and less CGI.
For all the works of cultured man
Must fare and fade and fall.
I am the Dark Barbarian
That towers over all.
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from the Outer Dark"

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Posted 11 October 2003 - 03:43 AM

Ironhand, on Oct 10 2003, 05:25 PM, said:

Clonan skids to a halt, draws his sword, executes a complicated sword kata while making swooshing and humming noises with his mouth, then strikes a defensive pose.

Ironhand, that was the funniest thing I've read in quite awhile. When I read the quote above, I had a mouth full of hot pizza. Now I've got to figure out a way to get the tomato sauce out from between the screen and the monitor case. Outstanding!
"Their present king is the most renowned warrior among the western nations. He is an outlander, an adventurer who seized the crown by force during a time of civil strife, strangling King Namedides with his own hands, upon the very throne. His name is Conan, and no man can stand before him in battle." ~ Orastes, 'The Hour Of The Dragon'

"Damned degenerates!" ~ Conan 'Xuthal Of The Dusk'

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Posted 11 October 2003 - 01:36 PM

Am I the only one who feels that the making of this film will be like watching a train wreck in slow motion?
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Posted 11 October 2003 - 03:46 PM

Well, any movie is better than no movie.

There is only 1 of the 4 possible outcomes that spells disaster.
If it is great than that is wonderful and all is right with the world.
If it is okay, than it was a nice time waster and I like movies on the subject.
If it is bad, well this is the fly in the ointment.
if it is really bad then it becomes a comedy and is good for a laugh.
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Posted 11 October 2003 - 06:44 PM

I can see this movie easily being a farce. Milas could at least include familiar names from past Conan stories - King Numedides of Aquilonia. Conan the second as his son aka Conn. Prospero, Trocero, etc.
Instead it looks as if the movie will be a cross between the Frost Giant's Daughter and....well I don't know. Something Milas dreamed up after a heavy meal..

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Posted 12 October 2003 - 07:13 AM

Just kind of think its funny that it has Conan as an old warrior and alot of (misinformed) people are calling for the likes of the rock and the truck guy; vin,uh..whatever; to play the part(young guys) and Arnold more or less turned it down (old guy). Johnny boy must be in love with his script, or when has he not loved everything Milius? For anyone thinking the rock,should get a grip and seek help,Now! If the rock wants to 'take-over' for Arnold he should go make Kindergarten Cop 2: The Next Generation, or something. But to be fair, he would be better than vin
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Posted 13 October 2003 - 07:07 AM

If the Superhero Hype report is correct (and I pray to God it isn't), my question is this: why would Milius continue with this project without Arnold? Why doesn't he rework it and do it as a non-Conan project instead of fudging up the Conan character and history yet again? Doesn't Conan Properties care that so many people are against this, that they want a different script, a new Conan, and a new beginning to the saga on film. I'd love to pretend the other films never happened. Or are there an overwhelming number of Arnold/Milius fans that are swaying Conan Properties in the other direction? It's like Warner Brothers with the movie and TV treatment of their DC Comics characters. Look at this ridiculous Catwoman project they've got going, which has absolutely nothing to do with the comic book character other than the name. That's how I felt about the first two Conan movies, and I don't want to see a third that leaves me as miserable. :(

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Posted 14 October 2003 - 02:51 PM

Here's a completely stupid idea that I thought I'd throw out there...

What if they could do with Conan like they did with the Batman franchise?

I.E., have a different person take a crack at playing the Cimmerian in a series of movies.

Granted, some of the Batman movies bombed (including one with Arnold in it) but some had success. And there are inherent problems; everyone would require a bit of sword training, everyone would have to be in shape (no rubber suits in this one) etc, but the one benefit I could see of it would be that they could bounce around the chronology, instead of sticking to the timeline (like the original REH books) and they wouldn't have to worry about the lead bailing out if they become successful.

The one thing both the film makers and the core audience would have to accept is these would probably not be big-budget affairs. Maybe falling into the realm of B-grade movies.

Just a thought.

Also, anyone else have trouble accessing the boards the last couple of days?
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"Damned degenerates!" ~ Conan 'Xuthal Of The Dusk'

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Posted 14 October 2003 - 03:54 PM

Funnily enough I couldnt get onto the site for two days.. I feared the site was down due to hacking or something.. glad to see it back..
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Posted 14 October 2003 - 04:37 PM

I could not get on from Sunday till today. Do not know what happened, but am trying to find out.
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Posted 14 October 2003 - 06:59 PM

Very glad to see the site was up and running today,had feared 'hackers' or something.
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Posted 14 October 2003 - 07:19 PM

I think that CPI has come around and actually does care about the future of the Cimmerian.....the true test will be this Milius 'stuff'. If JM had just stayed true to the Howard vision, but he didn't get it then,and doesn't get it now. It's been written about on the web that this is the 'best script JM has written'and that he thinks so. I've said this before and will say it, again: IF he's so in love with it, he should remove the name Conan from it,and Conan's world, then see how much he is 'in love' with it!!! I don't think so Johnny boy. I've always wondered why he couldn't stay true to what Howard wrote about Conan. All he did was make a bad Kull imitation movie and put Conan on it, to catch a ride on the money train, just as he's doing now................................................... Keep this guy or any others away from Conan, who just don't get it! Look at the Dark Horse comics, it remains to be seen, but they have talked about staying true to REH. Can you imagine if the films had been done this way originally? Man, Conan would be viewed way much differently than he is today: Fur undies? Don't think so. I truly believe if Howard's vision was brought to the screen with passion, IT WOULD BE HUGE for generations. Just look at the success of Gladiator, Lord of the Rings, and now with more 'no-wimpy' sword-movies coming out(Kill Bill, The Last Samurai,etc.) America will come,and come often if you give them something good.
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