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#1 KlarkashTon

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Posted 24 August 2007 - 01:37 PM

I've read that REH was a big fan of boxing and he also took inspirations from boxer of his era when creating Conan. I thought they might give a hint what Conan could have looked like in REH's mind.

Jim Braddock and Max Baer
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Posted 24 August 2007 - 03:42 PM

The lad on the left (Max Baer?) does remind me quite a bit of Conan.

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Posted 25 August 2007 - 09:57 AM

Looking at the top picture, we might be seeing what, in REH's mind, would have been a Gunderman or an Aquilonian standing next to a Cimmerian.
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Posted 25 August 2007 - 05:00 PM

Max Baer appeared in quite a few movies in REH's time.

Jethro Clampett in The Beverly Hillbillies was his son.

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Posted 26 August 2007 - 03:31 AM

I could be wrong but the top photo is not Braddock and Baer, but Baer and Primo Carnera (the big "Conan" looking fellow) he was around 6'7" tall and went about 265 lbs. Baer destroyed him.

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Posted 26 August 2007 - 08:26 AM

In the name of fairness, I have to say that Carnera was fighting with a broken ankle against Baer.
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Posted 26 August 2007 - 09:31 PM

Ya, I think you're right, that is Baer and Primo Carnera. And Jack Dempsey is the one in the middle.

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Posted 27 August 2007 - 03:46 PM

[quote name='Sharn' date='Aug 26 2007, 03:26 AM' post='72617']
In the name of fairness, I have to say that Carnera was fighting with a broken ankle against Baer.
[/quot That makes alot of sense. I've always wondered how Carnera managed to keep getting up...very tough man.

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Posted 27 August 2007 - 09:10 PM

Kortoso (Post #4) wrote

Max Baer appeared in quite a few movies in REH's time.

Jethro Clampett in The Beverly Hillbillies was his son.


Shortly before his fight with Carnera, Max Baer stared in a film called 'The Prize Fighter and the Lady'.

Max wasn't exactly an finished actor, yet he had quite a bit of onscreen presence.

'The Prize Fighter and the Lady' concludes with Baer challenging Carnera for the title and getting a draw.
Jack Dempsey has a part as promoter for the fight. Before the fight a number of great boxers are introduced, including James J Jeffries (who REH regarded as the greatest heavyweight of alltimes). Also introduced was the wrestler Ed 'Strangler' Lewis, and its remarkable to see how sway-backed he was.
Myrna Loy, pre-Thin Man, is the lead actress and is very good.

Later in his life Baer had a significant cameo in the film 'The Harder They Fall'. The film stared Humphrey Bogart as a boxing journalist, and was largely based upon the exploitation of Primo Carnera by mob ownership. Max, who was hardly the surely boor portrayed in 'Cinderella Man', ironically portrays a surley, boorish version of himself.

Legend imputes to Baer one of the great departing lines: calling a hotel operator to report that he was experiencing chest pains, and being asked "Do you want the house doctor?", Max replied "No, I want a people-doctor!".


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An aside on 'The Beverley Hillbillies' -- about a half-year ago I fell inlove with Eleanor Powell; and, in perusing her films, it was amusing to see Buddy Ebsen -- then a very successful eccentric tap-dancer -- who I had previously known only as 'Uncle Jed'.

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Posted 06 September 2007 - 04:23 AM

Here's a few pics of some Irish legends in boxing:
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On July 7, 1889 an estimated 3000 spectators boarded special trains for the secret location, which turned out to be Richburg, a town just south of Hattiesburg. The fight began at 10:30 the following morning, and it looked as if Sullivan was going to lose, especially after he vomited during the 44th round. But the champion got his second wind after that, and Kilrain's manager finally threw in the towel after the 75th round.

Man, 75 rounds, those were some real hardasses back then!

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John Kelly, an immigrant barrel-maker from Ireland, went to watch the fights on Long Island on April 27, 1883. He volunteered to replace a fighter who didn't show up for one of the bouts, gave his name as "Jack Dempsey," and won in 21 rounds. So he became a professional boxer and was undefeated in his first fifty-five fights over the next five years.
On July 30, 1884, he beat George Fulljames of Canada in 22 rounds and was considered welterweight and middleweight champion because of the victory. Dempsey had forty-one fights without a loss before meeting Johnny Reagan in his first genuine defense of the title on December 13, 1887. The bout took place outdoors on Long Island in heavy rain. By the fourth round, the ring was underwater, and the fight was moved twenty miles. The rain turned to snow. Dempsey finally won on a knockout in the 45th round.


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Posted 07 September 2007 - 01:49 AM

In the bare-knuckle days a "round" ended with a knockdown, so some rounds might last only a few seconds. Still, some tough men, alright.
And let us not forget Max's even bigger brother, Buddy Baer. In the film "Quo Vadis" (the 50s version) he performed the Conanesque feat of breaking a bull's neck in a Roman arena.

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 10:02 PM

Hmm, what about boxingchampions like for instance J. Dempsey?

Btw, I just read a fun novel called "Circus fists". Sailor Costigan fights piano-movers, farmers and drunks in a carnival environment. Then a huge blacksmith named Cairn comes along. Costigan has a great deal of trouble with this powerful hillman boxingchampion of Nevada.

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Posted 16 June 2012 - 02:57 AM

Hmm, what about boxingchampions like for instance J. Dempsey?

Btw, I just read a fun novel called "Circus fists". Sailor Costigan fights piano-movers, farmers and drunks in a carnival environment. Then a huge blacksmith named Cairn comes along. Costigan has a great deal of trouble with this powerful hillman boxingchampion of Nevada.


Must have been a relative of Esau Cairn! :)


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Posted 24 February 2013 - 11:32 AM

Hmm, what about boxingchampions like for instance J. Dempsey?



What about Victor McLaglen? Howard was a fan. Here's a pic:

https://www.google.c...ew%3Dlg;398;576

That's right. Loincloth and all. McLaglen was of English birth but Scots-Gaelic descent. He served in the Royal Irish Fusiliers. Oh yeah, and he went a bout with Jack Johnson. All in all, a good prototype for Conan.

Btw, I just read a fun novel called "Circus fists". Sailor Costigan fights piano-movers, farmers and drunks in a carnival environment. Then a huge blacksmith named Cairn comes along. Costigan has a great deal of trouble with this powerful hillman boxingchampion of Nevada.


Circus Fists is a good yarn. OF COURSE Costigan had a hard time with Cairn, who was a fellow Gael from the neighbourhood of Breckinridge Elkins. ;)

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 10:04 PM

Ok, I wasn´t sure what exactly Costigan was (an immigrant from). There seemed to be some animosity though between the fellows...lol!



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Posted 09 March 2013 - 11:19 AM

Hmm, what about boxingchampions like for instance J. Dempsey?



What about Victor McLaglen? Howard was a fan. Here's a pic:

https://www.google.c...ew%3Dlg;398;576

That's right. Loincloth and all. McLaglen was of English birth but Scots-Gaelic descent. He served in the Royal Irish Fusiliers. Oh yeah, and he went a bout with Jack Johnson. All in all, a good prototype for Conan.

 

He was great in the quiet man.

 

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 03:26 PM

 

Hmm, what about boxingchampions like for instance J. Dempsey?



What about Victor McLaglen? Howard was a fan. Here's a pic:

https://www.google.c...ew%3Dlg;398;576

That's right. Loincloth and all. McLaglen was of English birth but Scots-Gaelic descent. He served in the Royal Irish Fusiliers. Oh yeah, and he went a bout with Jack Johnson. All in all, a good prototype for Conan.

 

He was great in the quiet man.

 

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McLaglen played a LOT of "Irishmen" in various John Wayne films.


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Posted 10 March 2013 - 07:30 PM

these are great images, I'd say pretty damn close to how I've imagined conan.


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