Also you have "Sailor Costigan and...." in several titles, "A Elkins..." in a couple, etc.
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Hmmm, I wonder how many of those titles were from Bob. I gotta make a list.
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Hmmm, I wonder how many of those titles were from Bob. I gotta make a list.
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Posted 29 June 2008 - 03:08 AM
As Tu said, it's thoughtful. Timeless, thanks a lot for including me in the list !Greetings!
Thanks timeless.To be included with those scholars,is indeed thoughtful,...Two things I absolutely love and appreciate:
1) Bob Howard's 'The Hour of the Dragon.'
2) the scholarship on these boards from godzilladude, Taranaich, Patrice Louinet, Rusty, Mark, Deuce, Tu, Axerules (I'm probably forgetting someone.) After re-reading 'Hour' again recently, I realized how much the experience had been supplemented by insights from these boards.
I still recall the first time I read the book and remember what a thrill it was. And beyond any scholarship or examination or understanding, the tale does stir the blood. I envy someone who hasn't read it yet and is this day opening the book and reading the first line...
Enjoy.
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Can't believe I forgot Strom and Kortoso and godzilladude and Scott Oden and our own John Maddox Roberts. Jeez, that's embarassing... I'm off my game.
And welcome, amsterdamaged, who posted great comments on IMDB.
'Hour of the Dragon' was my REH virginity...and you never forget your first.
I appreciate all of the comments and criticisms re: it. I learn from them and reread and agree or disagree. These forums are cool and polite and well-behaved. And educational.
Thanks, BTW, for some good comments by Baron of Tor.
HOTD...it really is a rousing tale, isn't it?
And welcome, amsterdamaged, who posted great comments on IMDB.
'Hour of the Dragon' was my REH virginity...and you never forget your first.
I appreciate all of the comments and criticisms re: it. I learn from them and reread and agree or disagree. These forums are cool and polite and well-behaved. And educational.Thanks, BTW, for some good comments by Baron of Tor.
HOTD...it really is a rousing tale, isn't it?
All that we see or seem
Is but a dream within a dream. - Edgar Allen Poe
It's the olden lure, it's the golden lure, it's the lure of the timeless things. - Robert Service
For the myth is the foundation of life; it is the timeless schema, the pious formula into which life flows when it reproduces its traits out of the unconscious. - Thomas Mann
Eventually, all things merge into one, and a river runs through it. The river was cut by the world's great flood and runs over from the basement of time. On some of the rocks are timeless raindrops. - Norman Maclean
Is but a dream within a dream. - Edgar Allen Poe
It's the olden lure, it's the golden lure, it's the lure of the timeless things. - Robert Service
For the myth is the foundation of life; it is the timeless schema, the pious formula into which life flows when it reproduces its traits out of the unconscious. - Thomas Mann
Eventually, all things merge into one, and a river runs through it. The river was cut by the world's great flood and runs over from the basement of time. On some of the rocks are timeless raindrops. - Norman Maclean
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You're no slouch either, Timeless.Can't believe I forgot Strom and Kortoso and godzilladude and Scott Oden and our own John Maddox Roberts. Jeez, that's embarassing... I'm off my game.
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Thanks!
I have put down books when even the first paragraph failed to grab me. Bob wrote a doozy:
THE LONG TAPERS flickered, sending the black shadows wavering along the walls, and the velvet tapestries rippled. Yet there was no wind in the chamber. Four men stood about the ebony table on which lay the green sarcophagus that gleamed like carven jade. In the upraised right hand of each man a curious black candle burned with a weird greenish light. Outside was night and a lost wind moaning among the black trees.
Ummmm, yeah, I think I'll be reading a little further...
I have put down books when even the first paragraph failed to grab me. Bob wrote a doozy:
THE LONG TAPERS flickered, sending the black shadows wavering along the walls, and the velvet tapestries rippled. Yet there was no wind in the chamber. Four men stood about the ebony table on which lay the green sarcophagus that gleamed like carven jade. In the upraised right hand of each man a curious black candle burned with a weird greenish light. Outside was night and a lost wind moaning among the black trees.
Ummmm, yeah, I think I'll be reading a little further...
All that we see or seem
Is but a dream within a dream. - Edgar Allen Poe
It's the olden lure, it's the golden lure, it's the lure of the timeless things. - Robert Service
For the myth is the foundation of life; it is the timeless schema, the pious formula into which life flows when it reproduces its traits out of the unconscious. - Thomas Mann
Eventually, all things merge into one, and a river runs through it. The river was cut by the world's great flood and runs over from the basement of time. On some of the rocks are timeless raindrops. - Norman Maclean
Is but a dream within a dream. - Edgar Allen Poe
It's the olden lure, it's the golden lure, it's the lure of the timeless things. - Robert Service
For the myth is the foundation of life; it is the timeless schema, the pious formula into which life flows when it reproduces its traits out of the unconscious. - Thomas Mann
Eventually, all things merge into one, and a river runs through it. The river was cut by the world's great flood and runs over from the basement of time. On some of the rocks are timeless raindrops. - Norman Maclean
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Greetings!
I'll second that Kortoso!
timeless,you have filled a few gaps in my so-called knowledge,...
I have never finished one book "Interview with a Vampire" by Anne Rice(sorry fans!)
Dry?To me, but when I think dry I think of a good martini
The first chapter is an incredible set up.Weird,fantastic,horrible and so damn real,....
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I'll second that Kortoso!
timeless,you have filled a few gaps in my so-called knowledge,...
Thanks!
I have put down books when even the first paragraph failed to grab me. Bob wrote a doozy:
THE LONG TAPERS flickered, sending the black shadows wavering along the walls, and the velvet tapestries rippled. Yet there was no wind in the chamber. Four men stood about the ebony table on which lay the green sarcophagus that gleamed like carven jade. In the upraised right hand of each man a curious black candle burned with a weird greenish light. Outside was night and a lost wind moaning among the black trees.
Ummmm, yeah, I think I'll be reading a little further...
I have never finished one book "Interview with a Vampire" by Anne Rice(sorry fans!)
Dry?To me, but when I think dry I think of a good martini
The first chapter is an incredible set up.Weird,fantastic,horrible and so damn real,....
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What made the tapers flicker? We don't know, but we don't need to. Ominous, mysterious. The only guy in the scene who kind of knows what's going on and what's going to happen is Orastes. Valerius, Amalric, and Tarascus are firmly rooted in the world of politics, wars, armies, palaces. They, like us the readers, are not in their element in this scene. They're in Orastes's world of artifacts and rituals and arcane lore. But whereas anyone else would run screaming out of the chamber, the three nobles are so committed to their quest for earthly power that they are willing accomplices to the seance. This idea of unleashing a demon from the past that grows beyond their control is central to the story, and one of the things that makes HOTD such powerful storytelling.
Orastes describes himself as "once a priest of Mitra." It occurred to me that in ancient/medieval pre-industrial feudal agrarian societies, the priesthood were also the most learned men in their societies, hence their use as administrators in medieval monarchies. Being a priest of Mitra must not have been enough for Orastes. He must have had an insatiable thirst for knowledge lwhich ed him to a point where he was discovered by his Mitran brothers and condemned to burn. Political influence (Amalric) saved him. Also, in searching for Xaltotun's tomb, and then the Heart of Ahriman, Orastes is something of an archeologist too. He is incredibly important to setting the whole plot in motion. Amalric, Valerius, Tarascus, they all have their goals and ambitions, but without Orastes they'd still be in Belverus scheming. I also like Orastes goes to the brink of this abyss of dark knowledge and retreats, limited as he is by his own humanity (see his speeches in Chapter 20). He tries to undo what he has done but he is in over his head. In a general way, Orastes follows the path of Dr. Frankenstein, in that he created the monster and was then consumed by it, all out of a quest for knowledge. Anyone know if REH ever talked about reading Frankenstein, or watching the Karloff movie? It was kind of popular in its day...
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Orastes describes himself as "once a priest of Mitra." It occurred to me that in ancient/medieval pre-industrial feudal agrarian societies, the priesthood were also the most learned men in their societies, hence their use as administrators in medieval monarchies. Being a priest of Mitra must not have been enough for Orastes. He must have had an insatiable thirst for knowledge lwhich ed him to a point where he was discovered by his Mitran brothers and condemned to burn. Political influence (Amalric) saved him. Also, in searching for Xaltotun's tomb, and then the Heart of Ahriman, Orastes is something of an archeologist too. He is incredibly important to setting the whole plot in motion. Amalric, Valerius, Tarascus, they all have their goals and ambitions, but without Orastes they'd still be in Belverus scheming. I also like Orastes goes to the brink of this abyss of dark knowledge and retreats, limited as he is by his own humanity (see his speeches in Chapter 20). He tries to undo what he has done but he is in over his head. In a general way, Orastes follows the path of Dr. Frankenstein, in that he created the monster and was then consumed by it, all out of a quest for knowledge. Anyone know if REH ever talked about reading Frankenstein, or watching the Karloff movie? It was kind of popular in its day...
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Cool post, Baron. As for Frankenstein, there's the "Sleeper" quote common to both tales (ultimately derived from the Gospels).
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Yeah, excellent, Baron. Good point. Orastes has Faustian features...he's a dark priest. One who walked the path of light but became intrigued and corrupted by the dark. That character has always existed. George Lucas sure as hell made a lot of dough off of it.
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Is but a dream within a dream. - Edgar Allen Poe
It's the olden lure, it's the golden lure, it's the lure of the timeless things. - Robert Service
For the myth is the foundation of life; it is the timeless schema, the pious formula into which life flows when it reproduces its traits out of the unconscious. - Thomas Mann
Eventually, all things merge into one, and a river runs through it. The river was cut by the world's great flood and runs over from the basement of time. On some of the rocks are timeless raindrops. - Norman Maclean
Is but a dream within a dream. - Edgar Allen Poe
It's the olden lure, it's the golden lure, it's the lure of the timeless things. - Robert Service
For the myth is the foundation of life; it is the timeless schema, the pious formula into which life flows when it reproduces its traits out of the unconscious. - Thomas Mann
Eventually, all things merge into one, and a river runs through it. The river was cut by the world's great flood and runs over from the basement of time. On some of the rocks are timeless raindrops. - Norman Maclean
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Actually, I didn't forget godzilladude that first round, now did I!
All that we see or seem
Is but a dream within a dream. - Edgar Allen Poe
It's the olden lure, it's the golden lure, it's the lure of the timeless things. - Robert Service
For the myth is the foundation of life; it is the timeless schema, the pious formula into which life flows when it reproduces its traits out of the unconscious. - Thomas Mann
Eventually, all things merge into one, and a river runs through it. The river was cut by the world's great flood and runs over from the basement of time. On some of the rocks are timeless raindrops. - Norman Maclean
Is but a dream within a dream. - Edgar Allen Poe
It's the olden lure, it's the golden lure, it's the lure of the timeless things. - Robert Service
For the myth is the foundation of life; it is the timeless schema, the pious formula into which life flows when it reproduces its traits out of the unconscious. - Thomas Mann
Eventually, all things merge into one, and a river runs through it. The river was cut by the world's great flood and runs over from the basement of time. On some of the rocks are timeless raindrops. - Norman Maclean
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Very insightful post,as always my good Baron!if i may,..
[quote name='Baron of Tor' post='92751' date='Jun 29 2008, 04:25 PM']What made the tapers flicker? We don't knohttp://www.conan.com/invboard/style_images/1/folder_editor_images/rte-quote-button.png
Wrap in quote tagsw, but we don't need to. Ominous, mysterious. The only guy in the scene who kind of knows what's going on and what's going to happen is Orastes. Valerius, Amalric, and Tarascus are firmly rooted in the world of politics, wars, armies, palaces.
[quote]Or can one say ambition?[/quote]
They, like us the readers, are not in their element in this scene. They're in Orastes's world of artifacts and rituals and arcane lore. But whereas anyone else would run screaming out of the chamber, the three nobles are so committed to their quest for earthly power that they are willing accomplices to the seance. This idea of unleashing a demon from the past that grows beyond their control is central to the story, and one of the things that makes HOTD such powerful storytelling.
[quote]Yes, you are right.Yet, it does not stop them.Orastes has one thing 'going' for him.His own quest into the black arts and his ability bring it to reality is beyond artifacts and lore.[/quote]
Orastes describes himself as "once a priest of Mitra." It occurred to me that in ancient/medieval pre-industrial feudal agrarian societies, the priesthood were also the most learned men in their societies, hence their use as administrators in medieval monarchies.
[quote]True enough.[/quote]
Being a priest of Mitra must not have been enough for Orastes.
[quote]Character flaw.But a good one for this story,....[/quote]
He must have had an insatiable thirst for knowledge which led him to a point where he was discovered by his Mitran brothers and condemned to burn. Political influence (Amalric) saved him. Also, in searching for Xaltotun's tomb, and then the Heart of Ahriman, Orastes is something of an archeologist too. He is incredibly important to setting the whole plot in motion. Amalric, Valerius, Tarascus, they all have their goals and ambitions, but without Orastes they'd still be in Belverus scheming. I also like Orastes goes to the brink of this abyss of dark knowledge and retreats, limited as he is by his own humanity (see his speeches in Chapter 20). He tries to undo what he has done but he is in over his head. In a general way, Orastes follows the path of Dr. Frankenstein, in that he created the monster and was then consumed by it, all out of a quest for knowledge.
[quote]This is why REH applies today.Just because we can do it,should we?[/quote]
Anyone know if REH ever talked about reading Frankenstein, or watching the Karloff movie? It was kind of popular in its day...
[quote]Sorry,I do not.But it was theme before Shelly.[/quote]
Baron of Tor[/quote]
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Very insightful post,as always my good Baron!if i may,..
[quote name='Baron of Tor' post='92751' date='Jun 29 2008, 04:25 PM']What made the tapers flicker? We don't knohttp://www.conan.com/invboard/style_images/1/folder_editor_images/rte-quote-button.png
Wrap in quote tagsw, but we don't need to. Ominous, mysterious. The only guy in the scene who kind of knows what's going on and what's going to happen is Orastes. Valerius, Amalric, and Tarascus are firmly rooted in the world of politics, wars, armies, palaces.
[quote]Or can one say ambition?[/quote]
They, like us the readers, are not in their element in this scene. They're in Orastes's world of artifacts and rituals and arcane lore. But whereas anyone else would run screaming out of the chamber, the three nobles are so committed to their quest for earthly power that they are willing accomplices to the seance. This idea of unleashing a demon from the past that grows beyond their control is central to the story, and one of the things that makes HOTD such powerful storytelling.
[quote]Yes, you are right.Yet, it does not stop them.Orastes has one thing 'going' for him.His own quest into the black arts and his ability bring it to reality is beyond artifacts and lore.[/quote]
Orastes describes himself as "once a priest of Mitra." It occurred to me that in ancient/medieval pre-industrial feudal agrarian societies, the priesthood were also the most learned men in their societies, hence their use as administrators in medieval monarchies.
[quote]True enough.[/quote]
Being a priest of Mitra must not have been enough for Orastes.
[quote]Character flaw.But a good one for this story,....[/quote]
He must have had an insatiable thirst for knowledge which led him to a point where he was discovered by his Mitran brothers and condemned to burn. Political influence (Amalric) saved him. Also, in searching for Xaltotun's tomb, and then the Heart of Ahriman, Orastes is something of an archeologist too. He is incredibly important to setting the whole plot in motion. Amalric, Valerius, Tarascus, they all have their goals and ambitions, but without Orastes they'd still be in Belverus scheming. I also like Orastes goes to the brink of this abyss of dark knowledge and retreats, limited as he is by his own humanity (see his speeches in Chapter 20). He tries to undo what he has done but he is in over his head. In a general way, Orastes follows the path of Dr. Frankenstein, in that he created the monster and was then consumed by it, all out of a quest for knowledge.
[quote]This is why REH applies today.Just because we can do it,should we?[/quote]
Anyone know if REH ever talked about reading Frankenstein, or watching the Karloff movie? It was kind of popular in its day...
[quote]Sorry,I do not.But it was theme before Shelly.[/quote]
Baron of Tor[/quote]
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And welcome, amsterdamaged, who posted great comments on IMDB.
Thanks for the shoutout, timeless. Preaching to the converted is easier and more fun, but someone has to bring the gospel to the heathens.
Money and muscle, that's what I want; to be able to do any damned thing I want and get away with it. Money won't do that altogether, because if a man is a weakling, all the money in the world won't enable him to soak an enemy himself; on the other hand, unless he has money he may not be able to get away with it.
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Posting intelligent and thoughtful comments on the IMDB is kind of a waste. Casting pearls before swine, et al. Glad you're here.
On topic, I again think much is made about the 'episodic' structure of HOTD. Of course it's episodic, because it covers much of the geography of Howard's creation. Travel will do that. Also, it's also the way in which many novels of that era were written. The book was meant for an English publisher that would release it in its entirety, yet the style was influenced by serialization; Bob was a WORKING writer.
With the exception of the 'ghouls' section, I don't find the style intrusive. I just follow the story.
On topic, I again think much is made about the 'episodic' structure of HOTD. Of course it's episodic, because it covers much of the geography of Howard's creation. Travel will do that. Also, it's also the way in which many novels of that era were written. The book was meant for an English publisher that would release it in its entirety, yet the style was influenced by serialization; Bob was a WORKING writer.
With the exception of the 'ghouls' section, I don't find the style intrusive. I just follow the story.
All that we see or seem
Is but a dream within a dream. - Edgar Allen Poe
It's the olden lure, it's the golden lure, it's the lure of the timeless things. - Robert Service
For the myth is the foundation of life; it is the timeless schema, the pious formula into which life flows when it reproduces its traits out of the unconscious. - Thomas Mann
Eventually, all things merge into one, and a river runs through it. The river was cut by the world's great flood and runs over from the basement of time. On some of the rocks are timeless raindrops. - Norman Maclean
Is but a dream within a dream. - Edgar Allen Poe
It's the olden lure, it's the golden lure, it's the lure of the timeless things. - Robert Service
For the myth is the foundation of life; it is the timeless schema, the pious formula into which life flows when it reproduces its traits out of the unconscious. - Thomas Mann
Eventually, all things merge into one, and a river runs through it. The river was cut by the world's great flood and runs over from the basement of time. On some of the rocks are timeless raindrops. - Norman Maclean
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Since non care that I am writing a screenplay of this story.I would still like some slings and arrows on the approach to the chapter/scenes in "From What Hell have You Crawled?"
On one hand,I think it's important in that we get a Conan vs. Xaltotun scene,in which they only have two in the book.I also think that it reinforces Conan's savage and uncompromising views.
How could one leave this scene out?
The Follywood way of thinking would be to suggest,guessing here: Have him(Xaltotun) laugh,Lon Chaney style and throw him in the pits,.....
To me,that would be another dumbing down.
Slings and arrows anyone?
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Since non care that I am writing a screenplay of this story.I would still like some slings and arrows on the approach to the chapter/scenes in "From What Hell have You Crawled?"
On one hand,I think it's important in that we get a Conan vs. Xaltotun scene,in which they only have two in the book.I also think that it reinforces Conan's savage and uncompromising views.
(Xaltotun): "What does it matter?If I told you,you would not believe me.What if I told you I might set you back on the throne of Aquilonia?"
Conan's eys burned like a wolf.
"What's your price?"
"Obedience to me."
"Go to hell with your offer!" snarled Conan. "I'm no figurehead.I won my crown my sword.Besides,it's beyond your power to buy and sell the throne of Aquilonia at your will.The kingdom's not conquered;one battle doesn't decide a war."
How could one leave this scene out?
The Follywood way of thinking would be to suggest,guessing here: Have him(Xaltotun) laugh,Lon Chaney style and throw him in the pits,.....
To me,that would be another dumbing down.
Slings and arrows anyone?
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Posted 13 July 2008 - 05:41 PM
Only because we are, too.Since non care that I am writing a screenplay of this story.
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Greetings!
Advant!,Who knew,....then PM this wastril, dog-brother and let's talk,I have a few coppers and we'll have tankards of ale,that should loosen your lips and shink the Venturer.
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Only because we are, too.Since non care that I am writing a screenplay of this story.
Advant!,Who knew,....then PM this wastril, dog-brother and let's talk,I have a few coppers and we'll have tankards of ale,that should loosen your lips and shink the Venturer.
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Posted 22 July 2008 - 07:23 PM
This one's odd. Conan is speaking with Servius:
Anyone?
When were the feudal days? Looks pretty feudal in the timeline of this story. We've got serfs and vassals and so forth.Aye, white men sell white men and white women, as it was in the feudal days.
Anyone?
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Greetings!
Let's take it in it's context first.
Servius:
So were the feudal days always like this?Every man and women had their place,the commoner,serf,etc.But when you read the above you see that the feudals days,as Aquilonia had also, the anarchy?The king did not care?Because the barons supported the king?It, the problem Conan debates with Servuis in this scene,...
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This one's odd. Conan is speaking with Servius:
When were the feudal days? Looks pretty feudal in the timeline of this story. We've got serfs and vassals and so forth.Anyone?Aye, white men sell white men and white women, as it was in the feudal days.
Let's take it in it's context first.
Servius:
Servuis:The merchants and commenors,dreding the anarchy and the return of the feudal days when each baron had his own law,cried out that any king was better than none.
The Nemedians are glutting their long hatred[...]Aquilonia has a king instead of the anarchy they feared.[] Valerius does not project his subjects from his allies.Hundreds who could not pay the ransom imposed upon them have been sold to the Kothic slave-traders.
So were the feudal days always like this?Every man and women had their place,the commoner,serf,etc.But when you read the above you see that the feudals days,as Aquilonia had also, the anarchy?The king did not care?Because the barons supported the king?It, the problem Conan debates with Servuis in this scene,...
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Posted 23 July 2008 - 05:37 PM
?So were the feudal days always like this?Every man and women had their place,the commoner,serf,etc.But when you read the above you see that the feudals days,as Aquilonia had also, the anarchy?The king did not care?Because the barons supported the king?It, the problem Conan debates with Servuis in this scene,...
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Feudalism is defined today as a system of government with reciprocal obligations between the classes, from nobility to serf, with the serfs basically being bound to the land and essentially owned by their lords.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feudalism
I am just trying to understand whether Howard means that this system was not practiced in Aquilonia during Conan's time, since it certainly seems that it was.
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But how did REH understand it?What did he read/understood what Feudalism meant to him?Has some new information come to light?
What Servuis,IMO is saying there was a time in Aquilonian history when this happened,civil wars,perhaps.Yet,this not what jerks Conan's head up.I'm sure a serf could be sold to another baron,but Kothic slave-traders?Servuis is saying,again IMO,that the bad days of anachy in the UK,er,....Aquilonia. have returned.
Tu
Feudalism is defined today as a system of government with reciprocal obligations between the classes, from nobility to serf, with the serfs basically being bound to the land and essentially owned by their lords.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feudalism
I am just trying to understand whether Howard means that this system was not practiced in Aquilonia during Conan's time, since it certainly seems that it was.
But how did REH understand it?What did he read/understood what Feudalism meant to him?Has some new information come to light?
What Servuis,IMO is saying there was a time in Aquilonian history when this happened,civil wars,perhaps.Yet,this not what jerks Conan's head up.I'm sure a serf could be sold to another baron,but Kothic slave-traders?Servuis is saying,again IMO,that the bad days of anachy in the UK,er,....Aquilonia.
have returned.Tu
