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Posted 14 August 2008 - 04:05 AM

Recently, a forum member wondered about the influence of Robert E. Howard on the 2 or 3 generations of writers that have arisen since REH's death. So, I thought it would be cool have a thread where members posted positive quotes from other authors/artists about Howard's writings.

As the title implies, we're looking for positive quotes :), not Damon Knight bad-mouthing REH or whatever. These can be found in essays, interviews, in book introductions or just printed on the actual book-covers. Sometimes, they can also be found quoted just inside the books on the first few pages. It might just be one line in an interview, like, "When I read Howard for the first time, that was when I decided to become a writer", and then the interview moves on. THAT little quote might be the only thing that indicates the influence of REH on that writer. It needs to be noted.

I'll start the ball rolling. Here's one from fantasy author, Charles de Lint...

"Howard was a true storyteller -- one of the first, and certainly among the best you'll find in heroic fantasy. If you've never read him before, you're in for a real treat." (from the back cover of "The Coming of Conan")

I also recall that a de Lint story was one-half of one of those ACE (Tor?) "Doubles" from the late 80's. His story was a fantasy adventure set in Ireland. He wrote a little essay stating that the story was an homage to REH. The story was called The Fair in Emain Macha.

Since I think it's a testament to Howard's incredible ability to evoke imagery in the reader's mind, I present this quote from the award-winning artist, Michael Wm. Kaluta...

"In my early Conan reading, I so devoured the books that all the stories bled together. This gave me a dream-like world where the young Conan who fought giant apes in Stygian darkness strode side-by-side with the adult Conan as he raised the Aquilonian crown in his blood-stained hands." (from his intro to the DHC "Tower of the Elephant" collection)

There ya go. :) What've y'all got?

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Posted 14 August 2008 - 05:27 AM

I wouldn't have given a seconds credence to some niche-reading psuedo-intellectual troll with nothing better to do than test or throw rocks at less miserable , less pessimistic fans of a genre he plainly 'don't get' . But it will probably be interesting to see the long list that develops , since I don't recall anyone else having ever thought of starting a list like that . Can we add to the list , say movies or pop-culture 'stuff' that has plainly ripped-off or co-opted characters/scenes/situations from Howard ? That would be a hella interesting list too ! Or should that be in a seperate topic ? & can we expand it to include 'artists' also ? if so...................

" We'll pay twice the amount Ace is paying , and yes, the art belongs to you ." I got pretty excited about Conan - I figured it was right up my alley . I could really pull out all the stops . I was a little fresh in the business so I didn't dare go too far . But there was something......Oh boy !
The minute they mentioned it , images popped right into my head
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"Although I have enjoyed illustrating the work of Edgar Rice Burroughs , I find them a bit slow and Victorian , and the fans are too prone to condemn the artist if he hasn't been faithful to the text . I much prefer illustrating the tales of Robert E. Howard . They are much stronger in mood and narration than those of Burroughs and allow a wider range of artistic interpretations . As St. John is remembered for E.R.B. and Tarzan , I would like to be remembered for R.E.H. and Conan ." - Frank Frazetta

from 'Icon' by snapperhead Fenner whose unresearched comments about Howard on the same pages I'll leave off , except to note that he feels perfectly comfortable tooting old deCamps beaten up old horn by printing the same old B.S. about and slandering not just Howard , but also his writing . Yet on the very next page he acknowledges Frazetta took a "tremendous amount of pride in his paintings for the Conan books and the appreciation he recieved from Lancer spurred him to new levels of excellence . There was a 'kinship' with the material............."

Okay , I know a 'little bit' about art/artists , not the most 'verbose' , or well-elaborated crowd of folks , definitely sensitive to criticisms/praise etc. to a different degree than most people , and not so much 'egotistical' , as 'unsure' & so 'inquisitive' to what people think of them and/or their art & if they are actually communicating what they think/mean/feel ( if that's their intent ) . & not at all prone to align themselves with anything/anyone at the drop of a hat - very 'individualistic' & eternally searching for their own voice/style/medium/walkie-talkie-to-the-universe . Frazetta is well known as an outspoken artist who would maybe dot your 'eyes' & cross your 'tee'th if you got his goat , & not just a 'little' proud either . He's well understood , found his 'own voice' long ago & has none of those 'concerns'( insecurities?) of beginning artists . If he completely sets aside his own reputation , ego & all the rest to plainly say he would like to be "remembered for R.E.Howard and Conan" - that 'AIN'T' just a little thing !!!! coming from arguably one of the most successful & well-loved commercial artists of the past century .

Fritz has none of the beginners worries of "will I be a succesful and/or understood artist" , he is assured , his place in art & even in pop-culture is very well established & guaranteed . Now in his advancing years he sounds as if his concerns now are only of what 'legacy' he will leave behind ( so much so - 'Legacy's the name of one of his most recent artbooks collecting his work) - Essentially , Frazettas writing his own 'epitaph' , to have/want the name of Robert E. Howard on that epitaph with him is mighty darn impressive to 'this' one fan of both men .

Doesn't sound to me at all that Howard " wasn't according to modern standards a great writer " as Fenner said , it sounds by the opinion of my favorite artist in the world , that he damn sure was a great writer - in 'modern standards' , and/or in 1930's 'pulp standards' . Howard is still in print & doing better than ever 70-some years later , and nobody whose opinion 'means anything' says his work is 'victorian' or 'slow' . & lots of 'Howard fans' have bought & payed for a lot of Fenner's best meals !!! - that's a fact . He is a snapperhead . ( I.M.H.O. )

Edited by PAINBRUSH, 15 August 2008 - 06:30 PM.

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Posted 14 August 2008 - 05:54 AM

Great topic Deuce!

On that "other" thread I printed this nifty little quote from LSdC:

"Howard's style is not hard for a reasonably competant prosaist to imitate; since it is so clean, straightforward, and unobtrusive. If one writes the best and clearest action narrative one can, it comes out pretty close to Howard, and it is easy to sprinkle in the little cliche's and epithets to which he was addicted."

In the spirit of this topic, I thought it would be appropriate to print Karl Edward Wagner's response to this. KEW, being a gentleman, didn't name names, but can there be any doubt as to who this is directed to?

"I have written Howard pastiches myself, so I can speak both as a reader and an author: Every autor leaves his personal mark on whatever he writes. The only man who could write a REH story was REH. Read Howard pastiches as you will, but don't let anyone kid you that you're reading REH. It is far more than a matter of imitating adjective usage or analyzing comma splices. It is a matter of spirit."

KEW on "The Hour of the Dragon"

"The novel ranks as one of Howard's best pieces of writing- and one of the best novels ever written in the epic fantasy genre. For many fans, Conan, and this novel, exemplify all that they expect from epic fantasy."

Edited by amsterdamaged, 14 August 2008 - 05:55 AM.

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--Robert E. Howard to Harold Preece, ca. June 1928--

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Posted 14 August 2008 - 06:03 AM

I wasn't giving credence to anyone, just using "negative energy" to get me up off "the parliamentary side o' me arse" and put up this topic. I've meant to do it for a long time (I've been doing the same thing already, on the "CAS" thread). In fact, I think I've suggested it more than once. A place where people can go to check out the cool things that other authors (and artists) have said about REH. Well, here it is. smile.gif

I'd think a "Ripping Off REH" thread would be a better way to deal with the stuff you're talkin' about, PB. It's kind of a fuzzy area anyway. A big purpose of this thread is to provide evidence in black and white, unequivocal evidence, that a particular writer/painter/artist/creative whatever thought highly of Howard (Crom's Hells, let's even throw in literary critics). Arguing that so-and-so was influenced by REH because of "_blank_" is fine, but not what this thread is about. smile.gif

That Frazetta quote is great. cool.gif I've got that volume (and the other two), but the collection with the MWK quote just came in, so I used that. smile.gif


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Posted 14 August 2008 - 06:24 AM

"The best pulp fantasy writer was Robert E. Howard...He painted in about the broadest strokes imaginable. A mass a glimmering black for the menace, and ice blue cascade for the hero, between them a swath of crimson for battle, passion, blood- and that was the picture, or story, rather, except where a vivid detail might chance to spring to life, or a swift thought-arabesque be added."

-Fritz Leiber

"Howard was my favorite author. I always like his stories the best."

-Margaret Brundage
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--Robert E. Howard to Harold Preece, ca. June 1928--

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Posted 14 August 2008 - 08:13 AM

I'd think a "Ripping Off REH" thread would be a better way to deal with the stuff you're talkin' about, PB. It's kind of a fuzzy area anyway. A big purpose of this thread is to provide evidence in black and white, unequivocal evidence, that a particular writer/painter thought highly of Howard. Arguing that so-and-so was influenced by REH because of "_blank_" is fine, but not what this thread is about. :)

Okay , gotcha ! I was 'kind of' inspired to try & start a topic like that about people/things that 'appropriated' Howard material like the 'Kingdom of Heaven'/'Black Colossus' similarities some time back , but it might have sounded more like just a rant & the topic faded away not long after . I was kinda hoping others might take that topic & run with it so I wouldn't just sound like some fanboy reading 'conan' into anything & everything 'pop-culture' . He's had a lot of influence on a lot of different media . (-Howard I mean, but conan too )

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Posted 15 August 2008 - 01:14 AM

"I adore these books. Howard had a gritty, vibrant style- broadsword writing that cut its way to the heart, with heroes who are truly larger than life. I heartily recommend them to anyone who loves fantasy."

-David Gemmel

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--Robert E. Howard to Harold Preece, ca. June 1928--

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Posted 15 August 2008 - 02:04 AM

Greetings!

"They have a cave troll."

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Posted 15 August 2008 - 03:57 AM

P.S. The best way to get rid of annoying trolls is to starve them. They'll eventually seek more fertile hunting grounds.


One troll of the "Baffomite" breed just got his own cave. :) He can thrive or starve there, as he sees fit. :) Just a reminder to all: this particular thread isn't of the "free-ranging/general discussion" variety. It is intended as a sanctum sanctorum, a storehouse for positive quotes (from authors/artists) about Robert E. Howard. Those words should be preserved.

"Inspired" ISN'T in the title of this thread. :)

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Posted 15 August 2008 - 04:00 AM

Greetings!

"They have a cave troll."

:lol:

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NOW we don't. :)

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Posted 15 August 2008 - 04:31 AM

Hello,
I come to you not as writer,author,but as someone who has got more out of these writings than can be expected.They did,I admit it ,inspire my training in the physical arts.That grey matter at the top, got me to think too.I learned to stop taking nonsense from everybody.I learned to help when I could and do the right thing.I saw the deceit in many people.I learned the beauty of words.
So,since I am not anyone,of any worth,I have still have praise and thanks,for a man, I did not know.But thankful for somethings,his words,thoughts and yes,his life.

Thanks,domo,danke,D!

YOU know knot,......K B)



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Posted 15 August 2008 - 04:32 AM

Gary Gygax listed the REH Conan series under the Inspirational Reading list in the old Dungeon Masters Guide for AD&D. B)


I remember back in the 70s, I had the first edition of D&D, just when the advanced volumes were starting to come out, and the introduction named a few other inspirational authors, and it said something like "If you don't thrill to the exploits of Conan, then this game is not for you."

Sorry I don't have the exact quote. My memory's a bit fuzzy.
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Posted 15 August 2008 - 08:39 PM

I'm suprised you have not posted the most obvious praise for REH. H.P. Lovecraft. I don't have the quotes, but we have all read them many times. If anyone has them, please post them!

At a book signing last October, I asked R.A. Salvatore if he enjoyed and was influenced by the writings of REH. He got a big smile on his face replied simply, "Who isn't?"

Edited by Hyborian Frog, 15 August 2008 - 08:40 PM.


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Posted 15 August 2008 - 08:55 PM

I'm suprised you have not posted the most obvious praise for REH. H.P. Lovecraft. I don't have the quotes, but we have all read them many times. If anyone has them, please post them!


REH: In Memoriam is really long, and its not available online to cut and paste, but here are some excerpts.

"No one could write more convincingly of violence and gore than he, and his battle passages reveal an instinctive aptitude for military tactics which would have brought him distinction in times of war."

"No author- even in the humblest fields- can truly excel unless he takes his work very seriously; and Mr. Howard did just that, even in cases where he consiously thought he did not. That such a genuine artist should perish while hundreds of insincere hacks continue to concoct spurious ghosts and vampires and space ships and occult detectives is indeed a sorry piece of cosmic irony."

-H.P. Lovecraft, who was inspired by REH
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--Robert E. Howard to Harold Preece, ca. June 1928--

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Posted 15 August 2008 - 08:57 PM

I was gonna post them but the subject is since REH's death so I thought HPL wouldn't qualify.

Jim Butcher cites REH as an influence in his latest book "White Night" as posted by godzilladude awhile back:

Jim Butcher, author of the popular The Dresden Files series, included this in an afterword in his most recent bestseller, White Night. He first says that he was introduced to fantasy at age seven when a relative gave him Lord of the Rings and the Hans Solo stories of Brian Daley. He then states:

?My first love as a fan is swords-and-horses fantasies. After Tolkien I went after C.S. Lewis. After Lewis, it was Lloyd Alexander. After them came Fritz Leiber, Roger Zalazny, Robert Howard, John Norman, Poul Anderson, David Eddings, Weis and Hickman, Terry Brooks, Elizabeth Moon, Glen Cook, and before I knew it, I was a dual citizen of the United States and Lankhmar, Narnia, Gor, Cimmeria, Krynn, Amber ? you get the picture.?

Becoming de rigeur to drop REH?s name in the field, it seems. Nice to see the continuing influence.


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Posted 16 August 2008 - 05:33 PM

I saw this on Random House's website for the "Savage Tales of Solomon Kane" book...

?I adore these books. Howard had a gritty, vibrant style?broadsword writing that cut its way to the heart, with heroes who are truly larger than life. I heartily recommend them to anyone who loves fantasy.?
?DAVID GEMMELL
Author of Legend and White Wolf

?The voice of Robert E. Howard still resonates after decades with readers? equal parts ringing steel, thunderous horse hooves, and spattered blood.
Far from being a stereotype, his creation of Conan is the high heroic adventurer. His raw muscle and sinews, boiling temper, and lusty
laughs are the gauge by which all modern heroes must be measured.?
?ERIC NYLUND, Author of
Halo: The Fall of Reach and Signal to Noise

?That teller of marvelous tales, Robert Howard, did indeed create a giant [Conan] in whose shadow other ?hero tales? must stand.?
?JOHN JAKES, New York Times bestselling author
of the North and South trilogy

?For stark, living fear . . . what other writer is even in the running with Robert E. Howard??
?H. P. LOVECRAFT

?Howard wrote pulp adventure stories of every kind, for every market he could find, but his real love was for supernatural adventure and he brought a brash, tough element to the epic fantasy which did as much to change the course of the American school away from precious writing and static imagery as Hammett, Chandler, and the Black Mask pulp writers were to change the course of American detective fiction.?
?MICHAEL MOORCOCK
Award winning author of the Elric saga

?In this, I think, the art of Robert E. Howard was hard to surpass: vigor, speed, vividness. And always there is that furious, galloping narrative pace.?
?POUL ANDERSON

?Howard honestly believed the basic truth of the stories he was telling. It?s as if he?d said, ?This is how life really was lived in those former savage times!? ?
?DAVID DRAKE
Author of Grimmer Than Hell and Dogs of War

?For headlong, nonstop adventure and for vivid, even florid, scenery, no one even comes close to Howard.?
?HARRY TURTLEDOVE

?The stories have a livingness about them [that?s] impossible to fake. . . . Not one of them is boring?there is always some special touch?and most, of course, are rousers.?
?GAHAN WILSON
Reviewer and author of I Paint What I See

?The best pulp (fantasy) writer was Robert E. Howard.?
?FRITZ LEIBER
Author of Green Millennium
and Farewell to Lankhmar

?Weird, fantastic, but peopled with real men who think and act as we conceive the thoughts and acts of men. . . . None of the dummies that pirouette through some stories, using stilted, supposedly archaic language, and moving in response to the author?s obvious string-pulling. All of which leads you to believe that I like it. Correct. I do.?
?E. HOFFMAN PRICE
Author of The Jade Enchantress

?[Behind Howard?s stories] lurks a dark poetry, and the timeless truth of dreams. That is why these tales have survived. They remain a fitting heritage of the poet and dreamer who was Robert E. Howard.?
?ROBERT BLOCH
Author of Psycho

?HOWARD WAS A TRUE STORYTELLER?one of the first, and certainly among the best, you?ll find in heroic fantasy. If you?ve never read him before, you?re in for a real treat.?
?CHARLES DE LINT
Award-winning author of Forests of the Heart and The Onion Girl

There were a couple of Stephen King comments too. But we already know those were taken out of context. :rolleyes:

Edited by Reaver, 16 August 2008 - 05:33 PM.


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Posted 16 August 2008 - 11:01 PM

Cool! Some good, one-stop shoppin' there, Reaver! B) Plus, that list is a good lead to finding even more quotes from the same authors. I know, for instance, that Poul Anderson said WAY more than that about REH and Conan. I just have to dig that stuff out. The same with Gemmell, Drake and Leiber.

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Posted 16 August 2008 - 11:20 PM

I was gonna post them but the subject is since REH's death so I thought HPL wouldn't qualify.

Jim Butcher cites REH as an influence in his latest book "White Night" as posted by godzilladude awhile back:

Jim Butcher, author of the popular The Dresden Files series, included this in an afterword in his most recent bestseller, White Night. He first says that he was introduced to fantasy at age seven when a relative gave him Lord of the Rings and the Hans Solo stories of Brian Daley. He then states:

"My first love as a fan is swords-and-horses fantasies. After Tolkien I went after C.S. Lewis. After Lewis, it was Lloyd Alexander. After them came Fritz Leiber, Roger Zalazny, Robert Howard, John Norman, Poul Anderson, David Eddings, Weis and Hickman, Terry Brooks, Elizabeth Moon, Glen Cook, and before I knew it, I was a dual citizen of the United States and Lankhmar, Narnia, Gor, Cimmeria, Krynn, Amber ? you get the picture."

Becoming de rigeur to drop REH's name in the field, it seems. Nice to see the continuing influence.


Thanks, Strom! I believe there are a few other "name-drop" posts like that scattered about the forum. One reason I started this thread: to get all that stuff in one place. :)

As for the HPL quote, I don't see any problem with it. When I first thought of this thread a LONG time ago, the main thing in my mind was to simply to get a collection of more quotes than what was seen on the Del Rey covers (though those ARE cool). I remember someone griping about the same quotes being on every REH book from Del Rey. The "influence/inspiration" thing is just one (big) part of it. Admiration from REH's peers and contemporaries is just fine, IMO.
Actually, I've always maintained that HPL was influenced by REH, at least to a certain extent. If you look at the Lovecraft tales written after HPL started noticing Howard's work (stuff like The Shadow Kingdom and Skull-Face), and especially after the two started corresponding, you'll notice that HPL's "heroes" get a little "feistier", now and then. Before, Lovecraft said about the closest thing to an "action scene" he could pull off was to have his protagonist "flee energetically". After, we have the fight scenes in tales like Dreams in the Witch-House, The Horror in the Museum and The Mound. Also, Derby does what has to be done to his "wife" in The Thing on the Doorstep. So, y'all post up any Lovecraftian praise of Robert E. Howard you feel like. :)

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Posted 17 August 2008 - 04:39 AM

I'm suprised you have not posted the most obvious praise for REH. H.P. Lovecraft. I don't have the quotes, but we have all read them many times. If anyone has them, please post them!

At a book signing last October, I asked R.A. Salvatore if he enjoyed and was influenced by the writings of REH. He got a big smile on his face replied simply, "Who isn't?"



Hey Frog! How're things up north? smile.gif

I've got the "In Memoriam" piece and other stuff stuck away. Just a matter of getting it out. HPL is a pretty obvious choice (though always cool). What about the stuff in Amra? Despite LSdC being tight with the editor honcho, plenty of authors/artists said plenty of good things about REH in its pages. People like Jerry Pournelle. To be honest, I wish there were an online archive of all of those issues.

That Salvatore quote is very cool. cool.gif My only bitch is that you didn't get it in audio or print. tongue.gif We need more stuff like that. I'm positive that Glen Cook has talked about REH in i-views. I wish I'd asked him when we spoke (very briefly) at the 2006 WFC. :rolleyes:

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#20 Strom

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Posted 17 August 2008 - 05:24 AM

Thanks deuce - here's a small sampling of some more praise for Robert E. Howard:

It would be physically and spiritually impossible to assemble a dull or uninteresting collection of Howard stories.

Gahan Wilson

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Howard had a great love for all that was lost and strange and faraway. One thinks of him sitting at his typewriter in Cross Plains, Texas, a young man dreaming great dreams of gods and heroes far beyond the narrow boundaries of his own space and time, roaming free across the wonderful landscapes he saw in his mind.

Leigh Brackett

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One of the most astounding literary phenomena of this century is Robert E. Howard (1906-1936) who, despite the disadvantage of living his entire life in or near the dusty little village of Cross Plains, Texas ? over a thousand miles from any of his literary peers in the genre of fantastic fiction ? nevertheless produced a considerable body of inspiring fantasy-epic prose & poetry.

Richard L. Tierney

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Simply put, Robert E. Howard, like Edgar Rice Burroughs had the Magic. Whether we are fans or imitators ? there are lots of those ? or emulators or choke-grasp critics, we all sort of wish we had that magic too.

Andrew J. Offutt

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Howard was a great writer -- it has been said before ? a score of times. It bears repeating.

Roy G. Krenkel

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