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#41 Rusty Burke

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Posted 14 January 2010 - 09:58 PM

I'd hate your books to go down the road of so many 'best-of' albums in the music industry, when to get stories we haven't got we have to buy loads of stories we already have.<snip> I'm sorry if my comments annoy those of you who worked so hard on SENTIMENT but I think I've got a valid point.


I didn't work on SENTIMENT so I don't have as much of a personal stake in it as Rob and Mark and Paul. But the point you raise is similar to the objections I heard about the BEST OF books from Del Rey. My question is this: Could you do a "Best of Led Zeppelin" album without "Stairway to Heaven"? Certainly every Zep fan has Led Zeppelin IV, and Lord knows the song is not hard to find. So if you were doing a "Best of Zep" album you'd leave it out, right? So that you could include another song that a few Zep fans might not have? But I'd argue that if you leave it out, you don't have a "Best of Zep" album.

LAST OF THE TRUNK was intended to include all of the material by REH that, at the time of its publication, had not yet been published. SENTIMENT is "An Olio of Rarer Works": primarily "juvenilia", but also some other stuff that hasn't appeared in many collections, hasn't been published often, etc. When we publish the boxing books (and there will be more than one, due to the volume of the material), you can bet that the boxing stuff from LAST OF THE TRUNK will be in it. Otherwise it would be incomplete.

It's not like we're just taking collections you already have, rearranging the contents, and making you pay a premium for only one story you didn't already have. (I have more than my fair share of such collections in my REH library.) We're trying to make available to REH fans and collectors a lot of the stuff that they want, but that has been hard or impossible to find for years. Look at the Steve Bender stories in SENTIMENT: we could have included only the ones that were not in LAST OF THE TRUNK, but then (a) you wouldn't have all the Steve Bender stories in one place and (B) we'd be hearing from fans who want to read all the Steve Bender stories but didn't get a copy of LotT for some reason. (It's not like there's an endless supply of these things.)

So, I understand your pain, but I'm not sure that I see a good way to get around having to have some duplication in our books. SENTIMENT/LAST OF THE TRUNK is kind of an unusual case -- most books won't have that much duplication. But for every collector who already has all the previously published stuff, even the rarer chapbooks, there are probably a hundred who are missing large chunks of it. For every fan who wants only one copy of each Howard story, there are probably a hundred who like having all the stories of a given type, or featuring a given character, in one convenient location. We're having to satisfy a lot of different constituencies. If there's anything that I've learned from working on Howard books these past fifteen years or so, it's that you're not going to please everyone. And no matter which way you go, the guy who is not pleased is going to have a good point.

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Posted 14 January 2010 - 10:13 PM

I have one question, and don't want to seem critical of all the work you guys do at the Foundation, but why do so many stories from LAST OF THE TRUNK appear in SENTIMENT? I don't understand why there is so much repetition, particularly when the books cost so much. Surely a thinner/cheaper SENTIMENT would have been preferable without those LAST OF THE TRUNK stories, particularly when many of us buy every book you guys produce? I could forgive the COLLECTED POETRY having all the poems from your SALEM book in it, because clearly when you produced the SALEM book the COLLECTED POETRY book was likely just a pipedream if even that. If the collected Boxing Stories get published, will you be reprinting all those boxing stories from LAST OF THE TRUNK in it as well? It just bugs me a little that SENTIMENT seems such a great book full of stuff I haven't read, when it does infact include so many stories I've already paid a great deal for when buying LAST OF THE TRUNK. I'd hate your books to go down the road of so many 'best-of' albums in the music industry, when to get stories we haven't got we have to buy loads of stories we already have. REH collections have ripped us off in that way for years and I wouldn't like to see the Foundation Press go down that way too. I'm sorry if my comments annoy those of you who worked so hard on SENTIMENT but I think I've got a valid point.


We chewed over this very quandry for quite a while. Originally, the goal of the Foundation books was to get the last of the unpublished stuff into print. And hence, Rhymes of Salem Town, and Last of the Trunk. Then, we knew there were lots of unpublished letters, what to do about those? The ones earlier published were often published incomplete, heavily edited, and missing stories and poems. Well, we looked at the Wandering Star / Del Rey project, and it's ultimate goal of getting ALL of REH into print, in large standard volumes. While WS/DR was starting with the best and working its way down, and no one really knowing how far they would commit to, we decided to start at the OTHER end. So first came Collected Letters, which besides creating a standardized letters volume, also got into print lots of previously published letters, poems and stories. But if you want a standardized version that is all inclusive and will be the standard for quite a while to come, this is what you get. Then Collected Poetry, same issue. Virtually all the poetry had been published before piecemeal all over the place, do you leave out stuff, or include everything and tolerate the duplication? Again, we wanted to create the standardized volume. Then comes Sentiment, a complete collection of the most scruffy genres REH wrote in. And again, this now repeats stuff that is in Collected Letters, and LOTT. But if you want a COMPLETE collection of those genres, this is what you'll get. And you are correct, the same will happen with boxing, because when and if it gets done, it will be COMPLETE, a few standardized volumes.

If we had known when we started, and were completely confident, that ALL of REH's works would make it into print in the next few years in standard volumes, we would have just started there. But the Foundation was new and unsure of its future, we had NO idea if everything was going to get into print or not (and indeed we still don't), and at the time, the biggest desire from the fans was the unpublished works. So we started with those two volumes, then made the turn and started doing the "complete" volumes. Lots of duplication, sorry about that. Making what we consider the best decisions we could at the time.

Yeah, I wish they were cheaper as well.

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Posted 15 January 2010 - 08:13 PM

Thanks for the replies guys. I didn't want to sound overly critical in the face of all the hard work you all do - infact, I'd been debating for nearly a week whether to write what I did at all. The Foundation Press books are, for me, the best thing to happen for an REH fan in many years. The COLLECTED LETTERS and the POETRY really are dreams come true for me. Indeed SENTIMENT stands proud as one of my favourite REH books. A favourite REH book from my teenage years was the paperback compilation THE HOWARD COLLECTOR; I loved all the rarities/fragments (I also enjoyed all the essays in that volume, perhaps you could publish some kind of commentary volume to accompany the REH Foundation series?), the book was like a treasuretrove, and both the TRUNK and SENTIMENT carry on that tradition. I love both of them.

I just had a bit of a problem with so many stories from the TRUNK appearing in SENTIMENT, though I recognise the tough choices that were faced editing SENTIMENT. In hindsight perhaps a 2-volume SENTIMENT/TRUNK compilation that didn't require the repetition would have been the ideal, but hindsight is for time travellers, eh? As a collector of REH since the mid-seventies I've been burned, as I'm sure many fans have, having to buy books of stories I have got to get the odd story I haven't- most recently the Del Rey Horror stories compilation; just how many copies of PIGEONS FROM HELL/WORMS OF THE EARTH does a guy need? Its okay when buying a relatively cheap paperback but the Foundation Press books, beautiful as they are, don't come cheap. I'm speaking as someone who bought all the Wandering Star books even though I had all the stories in paperback, just to get the additional stuff/essays/original text. I love my REH but it sure gets expensive.

So anyway, I appreciate your comments and look forward to the next Foundation book. I hope there are many more of them, and perhaps one day my suggestion for a book of essays (perhaps you could get permission to reprint the best articles from The Cimmerian fanzine one day?) might get considered.
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Posted 15 January 2010 - 08:59 PM

ghost of '82 spoke the gospel when posting...

...perhaps one day my suggestion for a book of essays (perhaps you could get permission to reprint the best articles from The Cimmerian fanzine one day?) might get considered.


Count me as a "thumbs up" for that!

There's far too much scholarly reference material, buried in out of print places, that needs to be preserved and presented to a larger audience.

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Posted 15 January 2010 - 09:36 PM

As a collector of REH since the mid-seventies I've been burned, as I'm sure many fans have, having to buy books of stories I have got to get the odd story I haven't- most recently the Del Rey Horror stories compilation; just how many copies of PIGEONS FROM HELL/WORMS OF THE EARTH does a guy need?


Again, I surely get your point, and from your perspective as a long-time Howard fan it's a valid one. But when I put together the contents for the horror book, I wanted a book that would appeal not only to the long-time fan, but to the newer fan who maybe doesn't have a lot of that stuff, and also to the person who's never read any REH but is a horror fan and might be willing to give it a try. It was for the latter group that I stuck in the Solomon Kane and Bran Mak Morn stories, thinking that maybe, if they realize that the "sword and sorcery" stuff is horror, they might migrate over and pick up one of the other titles. Apparently the horror book is one of the better selling Del Reys, so maybe it's having its intended effect.

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Posted 15 January 2010 - 09:45 PM


As a collector of REH since the mid-seventies I've been burned, as I'm sure many fans have, having to buy books of stories I have got to get the odd story I haven't- most recently the Del Rey Horror stories compilation; just how many copies of PIGEONS FROM HELL/WORMS OF THE EARTH does a guy need?


Again, I surely get your point, and from your perspective as a long-time Howard fan it's a valid one. But when I put together the contents for the horror book, I wanted a book that would appeal not only to the long-time fan, but to the newer fan who maybe doesn't have a lot of that stuff, and also to the person who's never read any REH but is a horror fan and might be willing to give it a try. It was for the latter group that I stuck in the Solomon Kane and Bran Mak Morn stories, thinking that maybe, if they realize that the "sword and sorcery" stuff is horror, they might migrate over and pick up one of the other titles. Apparently the horror book is one of the better selling Del Reys, so maybe it's having its intended effect.

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I can attest that it worked for the son of a friend of mine. The kid had a great "potential REH fan" profile (ERB and LotR reader, horror and war movie fan) but refused to check out any Conan collections due to something he'd once watched... Anyway, his dad gave him "THSoREH" and the kid loved 'em all (he's 16). He's now read the SK and BMM books, but still refuses to read the Conans. Anyway, just saying that your strategy worked.

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Posted 16 January 2010 - 01:07 AM

At 56 years old my memory isn't that good. I know that first story Wild Water was the best story I every read by REH! I knew there were some duplicate stories but I don't mind and to me it's nice to have these stories compiled in one book instead of having to search through many books. When I really like a movie or DVD I'll view it a two or more times and I'll see something I missed the first time. Same way reading REH! I also feel that whatever the price is it's well worth it and goes to a wonderful cause to keep REH's legacy alive and well. This is a non profit organization like the Public Broadcasting Station (PBS) and our support helps continue the legacy of REH. I was elated to find out that some of REH art was located in his high school book! The Never Ending Hunt - Keep finding stuff :) To me the condition of the book is very important and Paul and all have done an outstanding job on that. I remember that on I believe it was Collected Poetry of REH that some books came in damaged and Paul sent them right back. Rather than risk quality over production he did the right thing. That's outstanding service! From other book stores on occasion when I've ordered online I've had books delivered that had cuts, tears, bent corners, etc. and couldn't pinpoint where the damaged happened; Was it a defect in publishing or material handling? With the books from the REH foundation you know they are inspected. The old saying "You can't judge a book by it's cover." With all REH Foundation books you can as the covers and contents are the best of the best and in limited quantities. The hard work, time, and labor of love that everyone puts into these REH works is truly appreciated by me and I thank you very, very much and please keep em coming! Your friend and fan forever!

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Posted 17 January 2010 - 03:34 AM

ghost of '82 spoke the gospel when posting...

...perhaps one day my suggestion for a book of essays (perhaps you could get permission to reprint the best articles from The Cimmerian fanzine one day?) might get considered.


Count me as a "thumbs up" for that!

There's far too much scholarly reference material, buried in out of print places, that needs to be preserved and presented to a larger audience.

Tex


Believe me, that is something we have also discussed many times, and whether it would be a quarterly, or monthly, or once a year, or just the occasional volume. Some great stuff out there to reprint.

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Posted 22 February 2010 - 05:35 PM

From The Robert E. Howard Foundation website, posted on the 21st...

Going, going . . .

Posted by Rob Roehm in News

At the time of this writing, there are fewer than ten copies of Collected Poetry remaining, and fewer than five of Sentiment: An Olio of Rarer Works. Be advised, if you are interested in ordering either of these titles, shoot us an email first to check the availability.

info@rehfoundation.org


Everyone's talking about the Collected Poetry (as well they should!) but no one's put up a reminder about Sentiment.

Folks, if you miss this collection of jewels (two words--Wild Water), well, you could be in the same boat as those who waited and missed out on the REH/HPL letters.

Don't be the one who has to say, "We're gonna need a bigger boat."

Jump!

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Posted 22 February 2010 - 08:52 PM

Oh, hey, and let's be clear: There will be a second printing of Sentiment, so no worries there. Collected Poetry, I have NO idea about its future.

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Posted 22 February 2010 - 09:47 PM

There will be a second printing of Sentiment, so no worries there


Good news for those who didn't jump in time, because...

Gone

Posted by Rob Roehm in News,

Sentiment: An Olio of Rarer Works is officially Sold Out. We have at least one copy with a dirty thumbprint on the page edges, and perhaps one more clean copy held back in case the postal service lost or damaged a book. Anyone interested in the ?dirty book,? or in being placed on a wait list for the other and/or future printings, should contact us: info@rehfoundation.org


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Posted 23 February 2010 - 11:30 PM

And, the second printing (of 50) should arrive at Casa Hermano late March. FYI.

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Posted 17 March 2010 - 04:48 PM

And, the second printing (of 50) should arrive at Casa Hermano late March. FYI.


And indeed, I heard from the printer that the books are on their way today. Oh yeah.

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Posted 06 May 2010 - 02:25 AM

A review of Sentiment by REHupan Amy Kerr: http://www.rehupa.com/?p=1593
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Posted 02 November 2011 - 01:01 AM

We are down to 25 copies of the 2nd printing on this volume.