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#2641 droc

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 12:22 PM


http://filmdrunk.uproxx.com/ (scroll down to third post)


http://chud.com/articles/articles/23664/1/FIRST-BLURRY-PICS-OF-KID-CONAN/Page1.html

I've read those article! Author is a bitch! Never knew one can be so poisoned!
Especcially on lisa Bonet! MotherF@cker


Perhaps he is, but both of those are sites that are not run by devoted Conan or Howard fans and they seem to have much the same impression as people on here have. So just who is this movie going to please? What audience are they planning to attract?

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 01:52 PM

Damn you,people!!! Does anybody have to say actually something good? :angry:


I'm with you Serg. I'm very much looking forward to this film and do not understand how people here can go crazy over some bad photos that someone took on the studio lot using a cell phone. I'm surprised no one is criticizing the fact that those people in the photos are wearing modern clothing and baseball caps. I'm sure the ape feces will really hit the fan when someone snaps a picture of Jason eating in the Nu Boyana Film Studios cafeteria.

"Why is Conan drinking a Coke? Coca Cola did not exist in the Hyborean Age!"
:rolleyes:

Momoa looks great as Conan. He looks like a real person, not some steroid-pumped body builder. As for the weapons and armor of the Hyborean Age, from what I remember, it ran the gamut -- from Roman-style body armor to Viking-style broadswords and Arabian scimitars. Howard was not such a stickler for historical detail as some of the people here.

Edited by Garzo, 11 May 2010 - 01:56 PM.


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Posted 11 May 2010 - 01:54 PM

Who the movie is meant to attract?
I would think fans of Conan, 300, action, epics and gore.

Of course, NO ONE will be attracted to the movie based on those pictures, which can't even be labelled as works in progress.
Which is why the studio hasn’t released them - keep that in mind.

For all we know, the finished scenes we know have backstage mobile cam spyshots of can look incredible on screen, after lighting, cinematography and colour timing have been added.
Anyone who dismisses the movie based on those pics thinking they are in any way representative of the final look of the movie, need to get a clue. (not talking about anyone here, mind you)
Sadly, that is what most people do.
Look around at various comments, they are overwhelmingly negative, and most think that clucking Milius movie is the only real Conan.
I honestly hoped such pics would not leak, since absolutely no good can come from it.

Edited by norse_sage, 11 May 2010 - 02:31 PM.


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Posted 11 May 2010 - 02:17 PM

Momoa looks great as Conan. He looks like a real person, not some steroid-pumped body builder. As for the weapons and armor of the Hyborean Age, from what I remember, it ran the gamut -- from Roman-style body armor to Viking-style broadswords and Arabian scimitars. Howard was not such a stickler for historical detail as some of the people here.


Agreed. :)

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 02:23 PM

Who the movie is meant to attract?
I would think fans of Conan, 300, action, epics and gore.

Of course, NO ONE will be attracted to the movie based on those pictures, which can't even be labelled as works in progress.
Which is why the studio hasn?t released them - keep that in mind.

For all we know, the finished scenes we know have backstage mobile cam spyshots of can look incredible on screen, after lighting, cinematography and colour timing have been added.
Anyone who dismisses the movie based on those pics thinking they are in any way representative of the final look of the movie, need to get a clue.
Sadly, that is what most people do.
Look around at various comments, they are overwhelmingly negative, and most think that clucking Milius movie is the only real Conan.
I honestly hoped such pics would not leak, since absolutely no good can come from it.


I'm not just talking about the pictures. The leaked script, the sub-par director, the cast of characters that appear nowhere in Howard's work etc, have all drawn more negative comments from the Conan fans on here than positive.

So most people believed that the movie is aimed at a more mainstream audience.

Now we have comments from a more mainstream site, and they're just as negative.

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 02:36 PM

Yes, but those negative comments from the mainstream are not based anything from the film - not the script, not the direction, not the cast - but spyshots that by rights should never have been published as they do not represent what even a single frame of film will look like.

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 02:43 PM

I agree with everyone, basically, and disagree too.

I agree that -- based on the script we know -- this film doesn't have a hope of being good by any REH fan's standards.

I agree that these leaked photos from someone's cellphone don't make this movie look very good.

I also agree that -- in terms of the look of the film and its star -- people need to maintain a wait-and-see-attitude until some actual official photos or even footage get released, because right now, all we have to judge from are leaked photos from someone's cellphone.

I also agree with the wise adult who taught me -- growing up -- not to pass judgment until all the facts are laid out before me. It will -- they said -- ultimately make people take me more seriously.

Have you people never seen crappy spy photos from a movie set before?

As far as negative comments on non-Conan fansites, they are mostly judging this from the perspective of fans of the Milius film, who are bitter that his King Conan film never got made, and believe that Schwarzenegger is irreplaceable as Conan.

Also, they are looking at the same crappy, unofficial photos we all are.

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 02:45 PM

Damn you,people!!!

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 02:51 PM

I'm all for staying positive, I'm all for a wait-and see attitude. It worked for Momoa who looks much better as Conan than I expected when I first saw pics of him.

But we are still going to comment on what information is available, and so far most of it's pretty bad. Sure, the official pics will likely be a lot better (at least I hope so). But until we see them are we supposed to ignore the leaked ones and not pass comment?

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 02:55 PM

Ignore the whole movie and anything related to it.
Seems the wisest idea to me.

It won't ever see a cinema, anyway. Will go straight to walmart, I'm quite sure.

Edited by Andradir, 11 May 2010 - 02:55 PM.


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Posted 11 May 2010 - 02:56 PM

I am still hopeful.
"There's nothing in the universe cold steel won't cut," answered
Conan. "I threw my ax at the demon, and he took no hurt, but I might
have missed in the dusk, or a branch deflected its flight. I'm not
going out of my way looking for devils; but I wouldn't step out of my
path to let one go by."

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 03:50 PM

I'm all for staying positive, I'm all for a wait-and see attitude. It worked for Momoa who looks much better as Conan than I expected when I first saw pics of him.

But we are still going to comment on what information is available, and so far most of it's pretty bad. Sure, the official pics will likely be a lot better (at least I hope so). But until we see them are we supposed to ignore the leaked ones and not pass comment?

DROC


I don't think there's anything wrong with commenting, but most people are making these absolutely conclusive, unreserved remarks that seem to ignore the fact that we've only seen the very tip of the iceberg, and that these are not pictures that were chosen by the filmmakers to represent the look of their film.

For the most part, these comments are not speculative or tentative in any way. People are commenting on the finished product in no uncertain terms after having seen -- what? -- not even a moving image yet.

It's all very knee-jerk and kind of unreasonable, I think. I get that a lot of people want to be able to say "I told you so" if and when this movie turns out to be shit, but that seems to be the only thing some people want out of the experience.

These kind of movies are full of fiberglass, plastic and vinyl props and costume pieces (and that includes LOTR, which had several degrees of quality to their props and weapons, depending on how close they would be to the camera). Also, LOTR had an unprecedented amount of pre-production time -- going on two years, I believe -- to flesh out the details of their representation of Middle Earth, since it's being called up as a point of comparison.

And LOTR's budget was for a single movie, even though they were released as three separate films. The whole series was filmed continuously, without breaks between. And that's how the movie was budgeted. So in effect, each individual movie was able to achieve things that a movie with a third of the overall LOTR budget wouldn't normally be able to do, simply because they were making one big movie without all of the extra logistical costs that would come with starting, ending, and restarting a film production three times over.

No one really knows what we are looking at here, and yet so many are acting like they've already seen the movie. Who knows if a forest is going to look the same in a movie as it looks in a snapshot photo? Who knows how they are even going to frame the shots they are shooting that day? Will we even get a clear look at that forest, or will it just be a blur of green leaves in the background? Maybe Nispel only chose it because he like the quality of the light, or wanted a shot of the sun coming through the leaves, or the shadows that would produce on someone's face.

Depending on the angles you choose, you could shoot that forest to appear as sparse or as dense as you wish it to look. And get your crew and equipment in there comfortably without having to damage the vegetation in any way, as you would in some old-growth forest.

A film company might spend the entire day in one location to get some close-ups that never reveal the background setting. This forest might be just for close-ups of the actors, while some other forest stands in for the wider shots. WE JUST DON'T KNOW.

Comment away, but allow for the fact that life is full of surprises, and many things turn out to be not what we thought they were. That's how life works, and people who act like they know the outcome of everything and speak in such absolute terms about things that are still not fully revealed to them seem to be ignoring that fact.

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 03:59 PM

It won't ever see a cinema, anyway. Will go straight to walmart, I'm quite sure.
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So sorry for you :( you gonna miss a lot


I also wonder why people complain about the cast: Momoa visually proved to be ok, Lang, Perlman, McGowan and Sapp( last not really geniues of acting but I think he will kick ass brilliantly) I have to confess Im not sure about Nichols :blink:

I really got into that common desire of seeing off/pics....but...they still filming for a month...logically they do not have to reveal them now...(thats why the first date was 22 july ,which made bitter sence to me) I personally believe we gonna see them in the second part of June

good example for everybody: I happened to like Predators series-and only a month and a half ago they released official pics( while the filming started in september '09) think about it

I mean we all die-hard-fans but we forget that there are so few of us! Unfortunately vast majority compare Conan to Shwarz,which is
wrong wrong WRONG WRONG and WRONG.( I was not even born by its release-and I just like Arnie, but the plot ... raped fantastic Howard's world). New Movie looks much closer to the original-and ONLY for that im IN to wait for it.

So Im gonna correct myself about being positive- have strength to contain your anger and have temper to see something worthy our evaluation, such as official pics and clips( after all this a movie)


p.s.this is not private blog so ordinary people may come here and read the comments, and the negative attitude will scare them to watch the movie( i know) so we doing the bad job---lets stop it,lets not be savages

the comments will go on lets not be extremly critical

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 04:02 PM


Damn you,people!!! Does anybody have to say actually something good? :angry:


I'm with you Serg. I'm very much looking forward to this film and do not understand how people here can go crazy over some bad photos that someone took on the studio lot using a cell phone. I'm surprised no one is criticizing the fact that those people in the photos are wearing modern clothing and baseball caps. I'm sure the ape feces will really hit the fan when someone snaps a picture of Jason eating in the Nu Boyana Film Studios cafeteria.

"Why is Conan drinking a Coke? Coca Cola did not exist in the Hyborean Age!"
:rolleyes:


As far as I can tell, no one here has commented on the crew people that happen to be inside the shot, so you're basically just making stuff up with that comment. As for the actual props and costumes, they are unimpressive and cheap looking. Its a fact. Maybe they'll look better in the finished film, but Mamoa's costume is still going to look like a Party City barbarian costume because that's what he is wearing. There's a difference between A-list films and cheap B movies, and the difference can be seen in every aspect, including the quality of the costume designers. My first impression is that they hired bargain basement guys who lack the skill and imagination of A-listers. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see anything wrong with myself and others posting our honest impressions on what we see. If you only want to hear comments from cheerleaders, you're on the wrong forum.

And for myself and others, its hardly a "first impression". We've been following this film since its inception. First, they cut a deal with a B-movie studio. They hired the worst screenwriters in Hollywood. Its been common knowledge for quite a while that its NOT based on anything REH actually wrote. They hired a B-list director. They hired a C-list basic cable actor. Now, we have the first leaked photos which are, frankly, consistent with everything that's come before. These photos aren't an isolated incident. Together with everything that's come before they form a narrative that points to this film being a major league turkey.

Momoa looks great as Conan. He looks like a real person, not some steroid-pumped body builder. As for the weapons and armor of the Hyborean Age, from what I remember, it ran the gamut -- from Roman-style body armor to Viking-style broadswords and Arabian scimitars.


...but rarely if ever within the same story. These cultures co-exist within the Hyborian Age, but they're separated by hundreds or thousands of miles. The soldiers in the pictures...who are they supposed to be? Aquilonians? Turanians? Zamorans? I can't tell. They look like generic extras from an episode of Legend of the Seeker to me. Compare their outfits to the ones in Lord of the Rings, or Troy. The difference is HUGE.

Howard was not such a stickler for historical detail as some of the people here.


Have to disagree with you there. Have you read REH's crusader tales? His El Borak stories? Bran Mak Morn? There was a method to his madness, and one will never fully understand the Conan stories unless one bothers to read his non-Conan stories.

p.s.this is not private blog so ordinary people may come here and read the comments, and the negative attitude will scare them to watch the movie( i know) so we doing the bad job---lets stop it,lets not be savages

the comments will go on lets not be extremly critical


In two words, screw that. I'm going to give my honest unvarnished opinion as I always have, gloves off, and I could care less if my comments scare some neophyte away from seeing the film. The only person I'm a cheerleader for has been dead for over seventy years.

Edited by amsterdamaged, 11 May 2010 - 04:10 PM.

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 04:07 PM

I just hope the Mamoa dude is good actor as I having really trouble seeing Conan in any of his pics. I'm struggling to keep an open mind but I will try.
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Posted 11 May 2010 - 04:31 PM

amsterdamaged just about summed up what was going on in my head, but was too lazy to type it all out.

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 05:38 PM

Even if the movie sucks, I can say that I have got more than my moneys worth of entertainment reading this thread.

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 05:41 PM

An example of good costumes and props:

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I see no reason why the bar has not been set at least this high. Wikipedia has the budget listed at 72 million USD.

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 05:42 PM

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Mo looks decent in this, what worries me are those two ladies back right part of the film and are they in their costumes(ninja nuns from monestary)... looking really terrible if so.

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Posted 11 May 2010 - 06:06 PM

What worries me is the very environment that is very Medieval.

The village that appears in the photos would be the equivalent of the village in the first Conan movie? is a little "clear and sunny" to be Cimmerian. I hope that the topless women, who seem to slaves, if Cimmerian, are out of Cimmeria. It would be impossible to use those costumes in Cimmeria, land of darkness and eternal night.

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