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[stonecold-mike]

....there doesn't seem to be. My guess is Rodriguez is busy with Sin City 2. Once he's done with that, I guess he'll turn his attention back to Fire And Ice. I hope.

[stonecold-mike]

Well, it appears Rodriguez is getting ready to do Machete Kills come April, so I guess this puts Fire and Ice in the backburner, unless Rodriguez gets someone else to direct it

Edited by stonecold-mike, 08 February 2012 - 12:22 AM.

[Eamon]

Rodriguez does have his hands in many pies so I do wonder if this will even get a look in at all.

Maybe we will see how John Carter of Mars goes down as it may open the door for more half naked with sword movies!

[stonecold-mike]

....yeah, that one, and maybe Wrath of The Titans, will boost more enthusiasm into getting Fire and Ice moving.

[RafaelKayanan]

Wes Studi for DarkWolf.

[Taranaich]

"But does that style work in live-action? The recent trailer for the big-screen adaptation of John Carter seemed to indicate that its director, Andrew Stanton, had to tone down Frazetta's designs to make them work in the real world. "You wanna know why?" Rodriguez asked. "Andrew Stanton actually told his artists, 'Don't bring me Frazetta!' Frazetta's version of John Carter made such an impression on them that Stanton had to say, 'We can't just rip off Frazetta, we have to come up with something new.' Well, I can rip off Frazetta!" He laughed. "That's the whole idea. We don't have to shy away from it. We can run towards it."

Stanton's also the genius who decided on John Carter as the title, since as we all know, no girl would go see a film with "Mars" in the title, and no boy would go see a film with "Princess" in the title. So Stanton took the obvious option and ensured nobody would want to see a film with "John Carter" in the title.

[Jack LesCamela]

Stanton's also the genius who decided on John Carter as the title, since as we all know, no girl would go see a film with "Mars" in the title, and no boy would go see a film with "Princess" in the title. So Stanton took the obvious option and ensured nobody would want to see a film with "John Carter" in the title.

I think I can see some of the logic. The word "princess" carries a lot of preconceived notions with it for the public --especially as regards a movie from Disney. The word "Mars" has a different set of preconceived notions --and none of them has anything to do with Edgar Rice Burroughs' creation as far as the general public goes.

'John Carter' as a title carries with it no meaning for the great majority of people. That seems like a weakness but it's also an empty box that Disney has the freedom to fill with the meaning they like. Obviously they'd like to turn 'John Carter' into a franchise like 'Pirates of the Caribbean' and John Carter himself a hero with the name recognition of Burroughs' other major creation Tarzan.

I'll be the first to admit that the advertising doesn't seem to be working for everyone. It works for me though.

[Moonlight Shadow]

I would have called it BARSOOM, a somewhat mysterious one-word-title, not unlike AVATAR.
JOHN CARTER is the most boring title imaginable.

[stonecold-mike]

Wes Studi for DarkWolf.

Yeah, I can see why you bring him up. Darkwolf's voice in the original sounds similar to Studi's. But could he achieve a physique like that of Stephen Lang's? How old is Studi?

[Kane]

I do hope that this movies does see the light of day.
Even if we need to wait another year or two, everything looks good for this becoming a reality.
As I mentioned in my earlier posting, I've been waiting years for this to happen and finally it seems it will,,.

[stonecold-mike]

....with Robert Rodriguez it's always a matter of time with these things. You know that he had been planning to do Sin City since the early 90's? I have no doubt his Fire and Ice will happen. The question is; will it be sometime this decade?

[Kane]

. The question is; will it be sometime this decade?

One can only hope.
I won't limit myself to this being the only reason, but it goes into my top 10 list for making it through
to 2020.

[stonecold-mike]

Well, it appears there was a little bit of an update Rodriguez gave last month on Fire And Ice that we missed: http://latino-review...lines-fire-ice/

“We’re almost done with the script; we’ve got it pretty much 70 percent there. I’m really excited about that one.
“The whole idea is to make it using the technology I used for Sin City because I want it to be as if you stepped into one of [Frank Frazetta’s] paintings
“I think the timing is going to work out just right, and we’ll have a finished script in the next month or so. So we can start lengthier preproduction and we can go right into preproduction — well, we’re actually in preproduction, sort of, or we’ve been doing a lot of the previsualization. But that would be the next thing after Sin City.
“I’m really excited about that. For Frazetta fans, this will be the ultimate tribute to what he did, and inspired so many people. I think it’s going to be pretty powerful when people see it.”

[Kane]

“The whole idea is to make it using the technology I used for Sin City because I want it to be as if you stepped into one of [Frank Frazetta’s] paintings
I like the sound of that. Since I first heard of this project I was hoping that they would use this technique to bring the setting into alinement with Frazetta's images.
I hope that they have expanded some of the script. As I recall, in the original Darkwolf was the father of Necron. Except that it was never brought out in the actual movie. I do hope that they have added that fact to the new script. Leaving it in will, imo, help give a bit more dramatic impact to the film.
My only other hope is that they go for an "R" rating. Even as an animated film it had a level of graphic violence for it's time. It would be a disservice to fans of Frazetta and the original film to water it down.

[mikoza]

@ stonecold-mike:

Wow! Many thanks for bringing this update to us!

@ Kane:

Totaly agree with everything you said, and I can't wait to see casting for movie roles...especially for Teegra ...

[stonecold-mike]

Don't mention it;)

Anyway, regarding the possible film's rating, I think it's very likely it'll be R, especially if the budget is a conservative one, a la Solomon Kane and Sin City.

[stonecold-mike]

I
just came across this 1991 Q&A of Roy Thomas, who, with Gerry Conway, wrote the script for the original Fire and Ice.

According to Thomas, Ralph Bakshi decided to shoot only 78 minutes of the 2-hour script he and Conway had written, which as a result made certain elements in the film incomprehensible(like the statue of Darkwolf that Larn finds in some ruins). Their script also explained the relationship between the characters(such as Darkwolf being the father of Nekron).

So, I think this can be definately be a remake with much room for improvement, not just with technology, but also storywise.

Also, I don't know if anyone has seen these other conceptual designs for the remake by Justin Sweet:

Edited by stonecold-mike, 24 January 2013 - 06:38 AM.

[Primeval]

Those are amazing; I hope this gets made!

[Ironhand]

Maybe they'll end up showing Hollygoob how to make a Conan movie.

[stonecold-mike]

I also forgot to mention that, according to Justin Sweet, Robert Rodriguez showed the first conceptual art that was shown of Darkwolf to Sylvester Stallone. HMM?!! Stallone as Darkwolf maybe?!! http://muddycolors.b...re-and-ice.html

Edited by stonecold-mike, 24 January 2013 - 08:37 AM.