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[krommtaar]

[quote name='Axerules' date='14 September 2010 - 03:37 PM' timestamp='1284471457' post='167650']
You're getting old, my friends.

Howard McCain (and not Blackman/echorock) mentioned that the script co-written with Dirk Blackman was based on...

"A Witch Shall Be Born" and "People of the Black Circle."

No "Black Colossus."

As for the source:

McCain talked of his screenplay during an interview to Première (a French movie magazine and website) in March 2009. I did an English translation for the REH forum; here's a link to the interview (en Français): http://www.premiere....8gid%29/1560360
And here's a link to my post with its transcription in English: http://www.conan.com...55

"Notre inspiration principale ce sont deux histoires cultissimes de Robert Howard, A Witch Shall Be Born et People of the Black Circle".

En Anglais:
"Our main inspirations were two cult stories by Robert Howard, A Witch Shall Be Born and People of the Black Circle."

Hope that helps.


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Apparently they're going to completely BLEND Witch Shall Be Born and People of the Black Circle in ONE script, and that is not a good idea. It may be far more howardian in it's development than Milius' script, for sure, but once again we'll be swimming in a pool of confusion and substituted characters : a half'n half Taramis-Devi , etc etc.
How will they manage to blend perfectly? I don't see how besides creating a completely new pastiche based on aspects of both stories with 100% new characters.
If this is the case, it won't be a faithful adaptation of a Howard story.

But hey, that interview was done in 2009, perhaps the two scenarists have modified their draft many times since!

Edited by krommtaar, 14 September 2010 - 03:27 PM.

[Almuric]

Well, some stories can blend. But the main things these two stories have in common is Conan and the word "Black".

[theagenes]

You're getting old, my friends.

Howard McCain (and not Blackman/echorock) mentioned that the script co-written with Dirk Blackman was based on...

"A Witch Shall Be Born" and "People of the Black Circle."

No "Black Colossus."

As for the source:

McCain talked of his screenplay during an interview to Premi?re (a French movie magazine and website) in March 2009. I did an English translation for the REH forum; here's a link to the interview (en Fran?ais): http://www.premiere....-/(gid)/1560360
And here's a link to my post with its transcription in English: http://www.conan.com...55

"Notre inspiration principale ce sont deux histoires cultissimes de Robert Howard, A Witch Shall Be Born et People of the Black Circle".

En Anglais:
"Our main inspirations were two cult stories by Robert Howard, A Witch Shall Be Born and People of the Black Circle."

Hope that helps.

It certainly does! Thank you Miguel.

There has always been speculation here, that combining BC and AWSBB might be doable, but I can see how it could work combining AWSBB and PotBC as well. Taramis and Yasmina get conflated, as do the Afghulis and the kozaki. Maybe Constantius and Khemsa. Salome is a disciple of the Seers of Yimsha and their puppet on the throne.

Not saying it's ideal, but I can see how it could be done.

[PaulMc]

Apparently they're going to completely BLEND Witch Shall Be Born and People of the Black Circle in ONE script, and that is not a good idea. It may be far more howardian in it's development than Milius' script, for sure, but once again we'll be swimming in a pool of confusion and substituted characters : a half'n half Taramis-Devi , etc etc.

How will they manage to blend perfectly? I don't see how besides creating a completely new pastiche based on aspects of both stories with 100% new characters.
If this is the case, it won't be a faithful adaptation of a Howard story.

But hey, that interview was done in 2009, perhaps the two scenarists have modified their draft many times since!

Can't win. If they didn't blend two stories, then they'd probably try padding one story out to feature length - meaning you'd get all kinds of who-knows-what. New characters, attempts at extrapolating a backstory that just isn't there - or is wrong.

[Roargathor]

You're getting old, my friends.

Howard McCain (and not Blackman/echorock) mentioned that the script co-written with Dirk Blackman was based on...

"A Witch Shall Be Born" and "People of the Black Circle."

No "Black Colossus."

As for the source:

McCain talked of his screenplay during an interview to Première (a French movie magazine and website) in March 2009. I did an English translation for the REH forum; here's a link to the interview (en Français): http://www.premiere....8gid%29/1560360
And here's a link to my post with its transcription in English: http://www.conan.com...55

"Notre inspiration principale ce sont deux histoires cultissimes de Robert Howard, A Witch Shall Be Born et People of the Black Circle".

En Anglais:
"Our main inspirations were two cult stories by Robert Howard, A Witch Shall Be Born and People of the Black Circle."

Hope that helps.

Apparently they're going to completely BLEND Witch Shall Be Born and People of the Black Circle in ONE script, and that is not a good idea. It may be far more howardian in it's development than Milius' script, for sure, but once again we'll be swimming in a pool of confusion and substituted characters : a half'n half Taramis-Devi , etc etc.
How will they manage to blend perfectly? I don't see how besides creating a completely new pastiche based on aspects of both stories with 100% new characters.
If this is the case, it won't be a faithful adaptation of a Howard story.

But hey, that interview was done in 2009, perhaps the two scenarists have modified their draft many times since!

CROM'S HAIRY BALLS!!!! WHAT THE *#@$ IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE?!?!?! WHY CAN'T THESE @#*$ERS JUST PICK ONE STORY AND GO WITH IT?!?!??! WHY BLEND ANY 2 STORIES?!!?!!?! WHO ASKES FOR THIS #@&^?!?!? The people responsible for this retarded quagmire of literary excrement better pray I don't have the pleasure of meeting them in person, because I have a few things I'd like to tell them with the business end of a sword. I think a bitchslapping is way overdue for these geniuses. @*#$ING SONS OF CRIPPLED WHORES! HOW DO THESE MORONS GET HIRED IN THE FIRST PLACE?!!! I'M SO (*$&ING PISSED.

Edited by Strom, 14 September 2010 - 10:48 PM.

[TortolaBVI]

CROM'S HAIRY BALLS!!!! WHAT THE *#@$ IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE?!?!?! WHY CAN'T THESE @#*$ERS JUST PICK ONE STORY AND GO WITH IT?!?!??! WHY BLEND ANY 2 STORIES?!!?!!?! WHO ASKES FOR THIS #@&^?!?!? The people responsible for this retarded quagmire of literary excrement better pray I don't have the pleasure of meeting them in person, because I have a few things I'd like to tell them with the business end of a sword. I think a bitchslapping is way overdue for these geniuses. @*#$ING SONS OF CRIPPLED WHORES! HOW DO THESE MORONS GET HIRED IN THE FIRST PLACE?!!! I'M SO (*$&ING PISSED.

Roargathor, do us all a favour and try the Decaf, mate. Cheers.

TBVI.

[Roargathor]

CROM'S HAIRY BALLS!!!! WHAT THE *#@$ IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE?!?!?! WHY CAN'T THESE @#*$ERS JUST PICK ONE STORY AND GO WITH IT?!?!??! WHY BLEND ANY 2 STORIES?!!?!!?! WHO ASKES FOR THIS #@&^?!?!? The people responsible for this retarded quagmire of literary excrement better pray I don't have the pleasure of meeting them in person, because I have a few things I'd like to tell them with the business end of a sword. I think a bitchslapping is way overdue for these geniuses. @*#$ING SONS OF CRIPPLED WHORES! HOW DO THESE MORONS GET HIRED IN THE FIRST PLACE?!!! I'M SO (*$&ING PISSED.

Roargathor, do us all a favour and try the Decaf, mate. Cheers.

TBVI.

I'm sorry, I just can't wrap my simple mind around the reasoning behind such ludicrosity. All I see is red, and bloody dismembered producers and "writers"...

[johnnypt]

You're getting old, my friends.

Howard McCain (and not Blackman/echorock) mentioned that the script co-written with Dirk Blackman was based on...

"A Witch Shall Be Born" and "People of the Black Circle."

No "Black Colossus."

As for the source:

McCain talked of his screenplay during an interview to Premi?re (a French movie magazine and website) in March 2009. I did an English translation for the REH forum; here's a link to the interview (en Fran?ais): http://www.premiere....-/(gid)/1560360
And here's a link to my post with its transcription in English: http://www.conan.com...55

"Notre inspiration principale ce sont deux histoires cultissimes de Robert Howard, A Witch Shall Be Born et People of the Black Circle".

En Anglais:
"Our main inspirations were two cult stories by Robert Howard, A Witch Shall Be Born and People of the Black Circle."

Hope that helps.

It certainly does! Thank you Miguel.

There has always been speculation here, that combining BC and AWSBB might be doable, but I can see how it could work combining AWSBB and PotBC as well. Taramis and Yasmina get conflated, as do the Afghulis and the kozaki. Maybe Constantius and Khemsa. Salome is a disciple of the Seers of Yimsha and their puppet on the throne.

Not saying it's ideal, but I can see how it could be done.

Yeah, that's pretty much how I thought they could be done: Conan is in whoever's army, gets crucified, takes over the whatever tribe then follow POTBC with Witch elements tossed in along the way. Have to wait and see if this actually happens, but it's nice that the thought is out there.

[TortolaBVI]

Roar, i hear what you are saying and, as a fan of the RPG Dungeons And Dragons, i too many years ago was hacked off that the film when it was released has 'sod all' to do with DnD as fans knew it. It didn't even take place in a genuine DnD universe. Luckily the Producers realised that they would get it right with the second film, which, made on a smaller budget, was exactingly close to the source material.

Edited by TortolaBVI, 14 September 2010 - 05:42 PM.

[amster]

CROM'S HAIRY BALLS!!!! WHAT THE *#@$ IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE?!?!?! WHY CAN'T THESE @#*$ERS JUST PICK ONE STORY AND GO WITH IT?!?!??! WHY BLEND ANY 2 STORIES?!!?!!?! WHO ASKES FOR THIS #@&^?!?!? The people responsible for this retarded quagmire of literary excrement better pray I don't have the pleasure of meeting them in person, because I have a few things I'd like to tell them with the business end of a sword. I think a bitchslapping is way overdue for these geniuses. @*#$ING SONS OF CRIPPLED WHORES! HOW DO THESE MORONS GET HIRED IN THE FIRST PLACE?!!! I'M SO (*$&ING PISSED.

Jump to conclusions much? If you remember the first post of this thread, CP said that its based on one REH story and that its a faithful adaptation. When they started writing the script, they may well have decided that blending two stories simply did not work (for obvious reasons) and decided to focus on adpting one story.

I guess what we really need is for CP to return and clarify this.

[TortolaBVI]

Jump to conclusions much? If you remember the first post of this thread, CP said that its based on one REH story and that its a faithful adaptation. When they started writing the script, they may well have decided that blending two stories simply did not work (for obvious reasons) and decided to focus on adpting one story. I guess what we really need is for CP to return and clarify this.

Good point, you are indeed correct. CPI, perhaps you could clarify the fact that it is ONE Howard story being adapted, and perhaps shelve actually telling us what it is. Early days and all that, whatnot.

[Kortoso]

Roargathor, I wonder if, for your own happiness and mental health, you need to step away from this issue for a while, if not from this forum. Rest assured that there are many more things in life besides the new Conan movie, and MOST of them are MUCH more important.

CROM'S HAIRY BALLS!!!! WHAT THE *#@$ IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE?!?!?! WHY CAN'T THESE @#*$ERS JUST PICK ONE STORY AND GO WITH IT?!?!??! WHY BLEND ANY 2 STORIES?!!?!!?! WHO ASKES FOR THIS #@&^?!?!? The people responsible for this retarded quagmire of literary excrement better pray I don't have the pleasure of meeting them in person, because I have a few things I'd like to tell them with the business end of a sword. I think a bitchslapping is way overdue for these geniuses. @*#$ING SONS OF CRIPPLED WHORES! HOW DO THESE MORONS GET HIRED IN THE FIRST PLACE?!!! I'M SO (*{:content:}amp;ING PISSED.

Roargathor, do us all a favour and try the Decaf, mate. Cheers.

TBVI.

I'm sorry, I just can't wrap my simple mind around the reasoning behind such ludicrosity. All I see is red, and bloody dismembered producers and "writers"...

[theagenes]

Jump to conclusions much? If you remember the first post of this thread, CP said that its based on one REH story and that its a faithful adaptation. When they started writing the script, they may well have decided that blending two stories simply did not work (for obvious reasons) and decided to focus on adpting one story.

I guess what we really need is for CP to return and clarify this.

That is a good point. Looking back over CP's posts, I'm guessing that PotBC is the main source, but he mention one extended scene from another story, so perhaps the crucifixtion from WSBB?

CP.... You got some 'splaing to do....

Edited by theagenes, 14 September 2010 - 06:07 PM.

[TortolaBVI]

Okay. Here's the deal; CPI clarify if the Conan II script is based on a single Howard story, or if it's 2 stories that are joined together. If you do so, we the fans and loyal Conan consumers promise not to ask which story has been adapted. Right guys?

[Fafnir]

I, for one, would be happy with anything that was based on Howard. For a full length movie, any story would be to short except THOTD. If they really boned up on the material, I could see a successful integration of two stories into one movie. It would be a far cry better than anything we have experienced so far. Just the fact of them working on a second movie has me giddy as a school girl.

P.S. For the record I would like to see TFGD and TTOTE combined with RITH to make the ultimate Conan movie of all time.

Edited by Fafnir, 14 September 2010 - 09:08 PM.

[Libaax]

I, for one, would be happy with anything that was based on Howard. For a full length movie, any story would be to short except THOTD. If they really boned up on the material, I could see a successful integration of two stories into one movie. It would be a far cry better than anything we have experienced so far. Just the fact of them working on a second movie has me giddy as a school girl.

P.S. For the record I would like to see TFGD and TTOTE combined with RITH to make the ultimate Conan movie of all time.

I agree a decent action fantasy would be special if they followed a real Conan story.

Just to see Robert E Howard actually adapted for real on film.

Although its more likely the first film will fail at the BO. The old Conan films are nothing but Arnold films to too many people.....

[amster]

I, for one, would be happy with anything that was based on Howard. For a full length movie, any story would be to short except THOTD. If they really boned up on the material, I could see a successful integration of two stories into one movie. It would be a far cry better than anything we have experienced so far. Just the fact of them working on a second movie has me giddy as a school girl.

Well, actually HotD would be too long if they tried to jam everything into a single film (probably at least 3 hours), so they would enevitably trim stuff out (at least for a theatrical release) and no one wants that. PotBC, Red Nails, or Beyond the Black River are just about right for a 90 minute to 2 hour film, as is a Witch Shall be Born (REH simply recaps a lot of events in that story that would take up alot more screen time if they were played out in a linear fashion).

[deuce]

I, for one, would be happy with anything that was based on Howard. For a full length movie, any story would be to short except THOTD. If they really boned up on the material, I could see a successful integration of two stories into one movie. It would be a far cry better than anything we have experienced so far. Just the fact of them working on a second movie has me giddy as a school girl.

Well, actually HotD would be too long if they tried to jam everything into a single film (probably at least 3 hours), so they would enevitably trim stuff out (at least for a theatrical release) and no one wants that. PotBC, Red Nails, or Beyond the Black River are just about right for a 90 minute to 2 hour film, as is a Witch Shall be Born (REH simply recaps a lot of events in that story that would take up alot more screen time if they were played out in a linear fashion).

Right on, Amster. I'm sick to the guts of hearing how REH's yarns "aren't long enough" for a feature-length movie. Case in point: the battle in Moria in Fellowship of the Ring. That sequence was understated (IMO) in JRRT's prose, but became a MAJOR centerpiece of the first LotR movie. Scenes can be EXPANDED without substantially altering/adding to the source material. Word to yo mutha.

[deuce]

Apparently they're going to completely BLEND Witch Shall Be Born and People of the Black Circle in ONE script, and that is not a good idea. It may be far more howardian in it's development than Milius' script, for sure, but once again we'll be swimming in a pool of confusion and substituted characters : a half'n half Taramis-Devi , etc etc.

How will they manage to blend perfectly? I don't see how besides creating a completely new pastiche based on aspects of both stories with 100% new characters.
If this is the case, it won't be a faithful adaptation of a Howard story.

But hey, that interview was done in 2009, perhaps the two scenarists have modified their draft many times since!

Can't win. If they didn't blend two stories, then they'd probably try padding one story out to feature length - meaning you'd get all kinds of who-knows-what. New characters, attempts at extrapolating a backstory that just isn't there - or is wrong.

I agree.

[Taranaich]

Well, actually HotD would be too long if they tried to jam everything into a single film (probably at least 3 hours), so they would enevitably trim stuff out (at least for a theatrical release) and no one wants that. PotBC, Red Nails, or Beyond the Black River are just about right for a 90 minute to 2 hour film, as is a Witch Shall be Born (REH simply recaps a lot of events in that story that would take up alot more screen time if they were played out in a linear fashion).

Right on, Amster. I'm sick to the guts of hearing how REH's yarns "aren't long enough" for a feature-length movie. Case in point: the battle in Moria in Fellowship of the Ring. That sequence was understated (IMO) in JRRT's prose, but became a MAJOR centerpiece of the first LotR movie. Scenes can be EXPANDED without substantially altering/adding to the source material. Word to yo mutha.

Exactly right, dudes. What might be a paragraph of Howard's description in a story could easily be expanded on screen by simply taking their time. I could see the first chapter of "The Tower of the Elephant" taking up 5 minutes of screentime as we hop among the denizens of the Maul - not saying that's what I would want to do, but Howard's prose is so rich that it would be so easy to expand without additions.

And don't forget the Battle of the Hornburg: a few pages in the novel, turned into near forty minutes onscreen. Even if you took out the silly stuff like the dwarf-tossing, elves and whatnot, it would still be a good long battle.