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[MoeTheBarman]

http://www.medieval-warfare.com/

They are now taking orders for subscriptions; promises to be good as the Ancient Warfare magazine is simply amazing.

[deuce]

REH would've snapped up a subscription.

[MoeTheBarman]

REH would've snapped up a subscription.

Issue 2 will have something that might interest one of our own:

Theme ? Sidney Dean, ?The German Landsknechte?

[PaulMc]

Very nice and very interesting. I've been looking for information on that era. (actually, Dark Ages, which seems harder to come by - plenty of Crusades and post-Crusades books out there)

I'll keep an eye on this.

[Croms Bones]

Received my first issue of Ancient Warfare mag a few weeks ago, and it was great. I plan on sub'ing to medieval as well.

[John Maddox Roberts]

I've subscribed to Ancient Warfare since the first issue, and it's worth it for the illustrations alone. It's the same people, so this one should be just as good.

[ThuleanWarrior]

I have been buying the last few issues of Ancient Warfare from my local Border. Hopefully they start to carry this new magazine as well. If my Borders does not close down that is.

[MoeTheBarman]

Got the latest issue in the post today and something that may be of interest to those of you across the pond is that it will be available in various US and Canadian bookstores including Chapters and Barnes & Noble from May. You'll get it about a month later than us in Europe but it is WELL worth the wait. It is also going to be available in e-format.

http://www.medieval-...tm_medium=email

[ollonois]

hey are you suscribed to Ancient warfare too?

[monk]

fascinating. thanks moe!

[monk]

very interesting article- one thing which I think they could have and should have controlled for was tolerance in usage, conditioning...

Heavy metal hardens battle
by Staff Writers
Leeds, UK (SPX) Jul 21, 2011

Wearing armor has been shown to use more than double the energy required to walk and run. Credit: Courtesy of the University of Leeds.
The French may have had a better chance at the Battle of Agincourt had they not been weighed down by heavy body armour, say researchers. A study published in Proceedings of the Royal Society B shows that soldiers carrying armour in Medieval times would have been using more than twice the amount of energy had they not been wearing it. This is the first clear experimental evidence of the limitations of wearing Medieval armour on a soldier's performance.
During warfare in the 15th century, soldiers wore steel plate armour, typically weighing 30-50kg. It is thought this may have been a contributing factor in whether an army won or lost a battle.
"We found that carrying this kind of load spread across the body requires a lot more energy than carrying the same weight in a backpack," says lead researcher, Dr Graham Askew from the University of Leeds Faculty of Biological Sciences. "This is because, in a suit of armour, the limbs are loaded with weight, which means it takes more effort to swing them with each stride. If you're wearing a backpack, the weight is all in one place and swinging the limbs is easier."
The research team included academics from the Universities of Leeds, Milan and Auckland along with experts from the Royal Armouries in Leeds, UK. Researchers worked with highly skilled fight interpreters from the Royal Armouries Museum, who wore exact replicas of four different types of European armour.
They undertook a range of walking and running exercises, during which their oxygen usage was measured through respirometry masks, providing researchers with a picture of how much energy was being used by the participants.
The study also showed that the armour had a clear impact on the soldier's breathing. Rather than taking deep breaths when they were exerting themselves - as they would have done had they not been wearing armour - the interpreters took a greater number of shallower breaths.
"Being wrapped in a tight shell of armour may have made soldiers feel safe," says co-[color=blue !important][font=inherit !important][color=blue !important][font=inherit !important]investigator[/color][/color] Dr Federico Formenti from the University of Auckland. "But you feel breathless as soon as you begin to move around in Medieval armour and this would likely limit a soldier's resistance to fight."

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[MoeTheBarman]

hey are you suscribed to Ancient warfare too?

I was but money is a bit scarce. I'm working part time while doing my electrician's qualifications My subscription for MW has just run out too so I need to find the pennies to renew that!

[RJMooreII]

Interesting extract, Sword of Crom. Still, I have to imagine steel skin was usually more of an advantage than not. I've heard it was practically impossible to cut through plate or mail with a sword (though transferred inertia would still hurt like heck).

[Ironhand]

Speaking from my SCA experience, considering how many times I got hit, without armor I would be a basket case. And if the swords had been real steel, I would simply be dead. But I can also testify that after running a mile in armor through a woods, by the time I arrived at my destination, I was too tired to fight.

[monk]

but did you train for it IH?

[Ironhand]

but did you train for it IH?

If you mean, did I train for endurance in armor, no, not specifically. After lots of fighter practice, my endurance during a fight increased,but that may simply have been because I had learned to pace myself.

[monk]

so you would agree with me then this study is somewhat flawed in its methodology!

this is really not a very accurate statement when considered.

"Being wrapped in a tight shell of armour may have made soldiers feel safe," says co-[color=blue !important][font=inherit !important][color=blue !important][font=inherit !important]investigator[/color][/color] Dr Federico Formenti from the University of Auckland. "But you feel breathless as soon as you begin to move around in Medieval armour and this would likely limit a soldier's resistance to fight."

[monk]

topping for IH

[Ironhand]

so you would agree with me then this study is somewhat flawed in its methodology!

this is really not a very accurate statement when considered.

"Being wrapped in a tight shell of armour may have made soldiers feel safe," says co-[color=blue !important][font=inherit !important][color=blue !important][font=inherit !important]investigator[/color][/color] Dr Federico Formenti from the University of Auckland. "But you feel breathless as soon as you begin to move around in Medieval armour and this would likely limit a soldier's resistance to fight."

What I would say is that after more than minimal training, a weekend warrior does NOT feel breathless as soon as he begins to move around in medieval armor. I definitely felt breathless after running a mile in armor over rugged terrain. But I knew well-conditioned fighters (on the level of amateur, not professional, athletes), who were ready to fight after running around in armor. This has some dependence on the age of the fighters, and the weather. I had some severe endurance difficulties on a hot day when I was in my early 40's, and fighters in their early 20's were much better off than me. On the other hand, I remember a cold day in my late 40's, when I hauled and stacked hay bales, in armor, in the morning, and then fought tirelessly all the rest of the day, because it was cold.

I really feel for those northern European Crusaders fighting in the Holy Land. Talk about blood, SWEAT, and tears!

Edited by Ironhand, 30 April 2012 - 08:12 AM.