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[Dave the Rage]

http://kidsblogs.nat...ssil-found.html

If Conan could squat over a thousand pound then he could mybe squat this beast, but his ribs taking the full squeeze without damage that is another story, remember he is not a superhero, but he has not had 2000 years to turn into a weak assed brittle boned man of today either

Excert:
Fossils of Titanoboa cerrejonesis were unearthed in a coal mine in Colombia. Studies show that this snake, which lived 60 million years ago, was the biggest snake ever at 42 feet (13 meters) long and weighed almost a ton at 2,000 pounds (1134 kilograms). "That's longer than a city bus and ... heavier than a car," said lead study author Jason Head, a fossil-snake expert at the University of Toronto Mississauga in Canada and a research associate with the Smithsonian Institution. (That's Howard, bringing to life reality of them times, you would have thought he knew more than we give him credit for, this evidence above is what he used for stories, but this came out after his death! Genious he was).

Edited by Dave the Rage, 31 May 2012 - 01:07 PM.

[Konorg]

http://kidsblogs.nat...ssil-found.html

If Conan could squat over a thousand pound then he could mybe squat this beast, but his ribs taking the full squeeze without damage that is another story, remember he is not a superhero, but he has not had 2000 years to turn into a weak assed brittle boned man of today either

Excert:
Fossils of Titanoboa cerrejonesis were unearthed in a coal mine in Colombia. Studies show that this snake, which lived 60 million years ago, was the biggest snake ever at 42 feet (13 meters) long and weighed almost a ton at 2,000 pounds (1134 kilograms). "That's longer than a city bus and ... heavier than a car," said lead study author Jason Head, a fossil-snake expert at the University of Toronto Mississauga in Canada and a research associate with the Smithsonian Institution. (That's Howard, bringing to life reality of them times, you would have thought he knew more than we give him credit for, this evidence above is what he used for stories, but this came out after his death! Genious he was).

maybe people should drag ye old barbells and dumbells to the wilderness,and do a combo of barbell/dumbell and odd lift object lifting while living off the land to toughen up again!

[Dave the Rage]

Probably make no diference, I was more pointing out that through degeneration of human dna has lead to a weakening of the muscle and fibrous bone to that of more intellect and less muscle mass, thus man living in urban jungles has taken his sixth sense and lost it through civilisation. It would take another million years to reverse us back to what we where in REH dark days of yore. We can only dream.....then again we don't have 40ft snakes to fight!

[RJMooreII]

Probably make no diference, I was more pointing out that through degeneration of human dna has lead to a weakening of the muscle and fibrous bone to that of more intellect and less muscle mass, thus man living in urban jungles has taken his sixth sense and lost it through civilisation. It would take another million years to reverse us back to what we where in REH dark days of yore. We can only dream.....then again we don't have 40ft snakes to fight!

Deliberate Science > Random Evolutionary Processes.

Genetic engineering and cybernetics would make a machine that could smash Conan without slowing down. This is what always makes me call bullshit on 'the outer demons have to assume an Earthly form' in the Conan stories. So what? They could make themselves nanobots or invincible carbon-vanadium-iridium tanks. There's nothing other than plot reasoning to make them so weak - certainly Set could figure out how to build a hydrogen bomb after a few billion years. Hell, a college physics student and a couple of engineers could do it, now that the principle's understood.

Edited by RJMooreII, 08 June 2012 - 08:20 PM.

[Konorg]

Probably make no diference, I was more pointing out that through degeneration of human dna has lead to a weakening of the muscle and fibrous bone to that of more intellect and less muscle mass, thus man living in urban jungles has taken his sixth sense and lost it through civilisation. It would take another million years to reverse us back to what we where in REH dark days of yore. We can only dream.....then again we don't have 40ft snakes to fight!

Deliberate Science > Random Evolutionary Processes.

Genetic engineering and cybernetics would make a machine that could smash Conan without slowing down. This is what always makes me call bullshit on 'the outer demons have to assume an Earthly form' in the Conan stories. So what? They could make themselves nanobots or invincible carbon-vanadium-iridium tanks. There's nothing other than plot reasoning to make them so weak - certainly Set could figure out how to build a hydrogen bomb after a few billion years. Hell, a college physics student and a couple of engineers could do it, now that the principle's understood.

What has modern technology got to do with the Hyborian Age? What you have postulated is the eqivilant of someone discovering how to make a Phaser back in the old west,the guy might dream it up but with out the technology in place to build it not gonna happen!

[Konorg]

Probably make no diference, I was more pointing out that through degeneration of human dna has lead to a weakening of the muscle and fibrous bone to that of more intellect and less muscle mass, thus man living in urban jungles has taken his sixth sense and lost it through civilisation. It would take another million years to reverse us back to what we where in REH dark days of yore. We can only dream.....then again we don't have 40ft snakes to fight!

So times I wonder if we can control to a degree control our DNA,I mean think about it the more a person that does strength training uses mental techniques like visulaization,self-hypnosis,auto-suggestion etc the better able they are to achieve their goals..so what if they are in a way reprogramming their DNA? Now what if a person where hitting the weights(barbells/dumbbells "no machines") and sandbags,anvils,and using the mental training techniques available had the goal of getting strong like humans where back in the REH dark days of yore?

Just how strong might they become and just how muscular as well?

Edited by Konorg, 08 June 2012 - 10:06 PM.

[witchfire]

'the outer demons have to assume an Earthly form' in the Conan stories. So what? They could make themselves nanobots or invincible carbon-vanadium-iridium tanks. There's nothing other than plot reasoning to make them so weak - certainly Set could figure out how to build a hydrogen bomb after a few billion years. Hell, a college physics student and a couple of engineers could do it, now that the principle's understood.

Khosatral-Khel (the devil in iron) had an iron body imprevious to every weapon know to men
& was only defeated by a "Deus ex Machina" weilding Conan

[Ironhand]

REH postulated that the gods and demons of the Hyborian Age had the same intellectual limitations of our mythological gods. If he had waived that limitation, every fight would end like in FGD, where Ymir casually KO'd Conan when he rescued his daughter.

[Dave the Rage]

Probably make no diference, I was more pointing out that through degeneration of human dna has lead to a weakening of the muscle and fibrous bone to that of more intellect and less muscle mass, thus man living in urban jungles has taken his sixth sense and lost it through civilisation. It would take another million years to reverse us back to what we where in REH dark days of yore. We can only dream.....then again we don't have 40ft snakes to fight!

Deliberate Science > Random Evolutionary Processes.

Genetic engineering and cybernetics would make a machine that could smash Conan without slowing down. This is what always makes me call bullshit on 'the outer demons have to assume an Earthly form' in the Conan stories. So what? They could make themselves nanobots or invincible carbon-vanadium-iridium tanks. There's nothing other than plot reasoning to make them so weak - certainly Set could figure out how to build a hydrogen bomb after a few billion years. Hell, a college physics student and a couple of engineers could do it, now that the principle's understood.

I wouldn't read it though , I love the fact that man in many disguises, disguises his knowledge with evil intent like Thoth Amon etc (Comic version). When Howard wrote of Conan, it was at the basis of human strength and fitness that overcame adversity and arcane knowledge. Take a man in the front formation of the Roman army, great peripheral vision, speed of sword arm or spear and strength of shield handling getting pummelled, does make him a survivor, thus his genes. That genetics goes onto to proprogate around his crazing area and makes sons that are highly skilled strong and fast farmers in times of peace. The genetics is passed onto the sons and daughters of a survivor and then lives on. In todays civilisation, a man can shoot a man in the back from a thousand yards and have tea while doing it, also shoot a missle from the safety of the base. The soldier on the front line using hand to hand gets better genetically as his dna is tested to the limit and may improve through knowledge of the encounter. His fibre is tested, or as we call it today....his METAL. The person in the sub gets to proprogate his genes, the sniper gets to have children and his genes pass onto the next down through the years, hands down the foot soldier gets his ass blown up and does not get to procreate his genes thus we lose important genetics to the gene pool!

Hence my belief that we are infact doomed as civilised man and your forefathers maybe to blame for the degenerative diseases and issues in your short sightedness, obesity, heart disease and stroke etc as they were not survivors on the front line. I wear glasses and have high trigs, time for me to try and condition my genes now, so my kids get a better chance when I procreate.

The reality is that Howard knew this I feel and he infused this in his writing of his characters; we should nurture that as the winning formula, as the man at the coal face should be made king, as was Conan when he took the crown of Aquilonia the greatest shinning kingdom, which a man of Conan's calibur deserved more than any blue blood!

Edited by Dave the Rage, 09 June 2012 - 04:00 PM.

[Konorg]

Probably make no diference, I was more pointing out that through degeneration of human dna has lead to a weakening of the muscle and fibrous bone to that of more intellect and less muscle mass, thus man living in urban jungles has taken his sixth sense and lost it through civilisation. It would take another million years to reverse us back to what we where in REH dark days of yore. We can only dream.....then again we don't have 40ft snakes to fight!

Deliberate Science > Random Evolutionary Processes.

Genetic engineering and cybernetics would make a machine that could smash Conan without slowing down. This is what always makes me call bullshit on 'the outer demons have to assume an Earthly form' in the Conan stories. So what? They could make themselves nanobots or invincible carbon-vanadium-iridium tanks. There's nothing other than plot reasoning to make them so weak - certainly Set could figure out how to build a hydrogen bomb after a few billion years. Hell, a college physics student and a couple of engineers could do it, now that the principle's understood.

I wouldn't read it though , I love the fact that man in many disguises, disguises his knowledge with evil intent like Thoth Amon etc (Comic version). When Howard wrote of Conan, it was at the basis of human strength and fitness that overcame adversity and arcane knowledge. Take a man in the front formation of the Roman army, great peripheral vision, speed of sword arm or spear and strength of shield handling getting pummelled, does make him a survivor, thus his genes. That genetics goes onto to proprogate around his crazing area and makes sons that are highly skilled strong and fast farmers in times of peace. The genetics is passed onto the sons and daughters of a survivor and then lives on. In todays civilisation, a man can shoot a man in the back from a thousand yards and have tea while doing it, also shoot a missle from the safety of the base. The soldier on the front line using hand to hand gets better genetically as his dna is tested to the limit and may improve through knowledge of the encounter. His fibre is tested, or as we call it today....his METAL. The person in the sub gets to proprogate his genes, the sniper gets to have children and his genes pass onto the next down through the years, hands down the foot soldier gets his ass blown up and does not get to procreate his genes thus we lose important genetics to the gene pool!

Hence my belief that we are infact doomed as civilised man and your forefathers maybe to blame for the degenerative diseases and issues in your short sightedness, obesity, heart disease and stroke etc as they were not survivors on the front line. I wear glasses and have high trigs, time for me to try and condition my genes now, so my kids get a better chance when I procreate.

The reality is that Howard knew this I feel and he infused this in his writing of his characters; we should nurture that as the winning formula, as the man at the coal face should be made king, as was Conan when he took the crown of Aquilonia the greatest shinning kingdom, which a man of Conan's calibur deserved more than any blue blood!

very ...Deep dude!

[Dave the Rage]

IT's how I roll.




Always wanted to type that lol

[Konorg]

IT's how I roll.




Always wanted to type that lol

Kool

[Ironhand]

Probably make no diference, I was more pointing out that through degeneration of human dna has lead to a weakening of the muscle and fibrous bone to that of more intellect and less muscle mass, thus man living in urban jungles has taken his sixth sense and lost it through civilisation. It would take another million years to reverse us back to what we where in REH dark days of yore. We can only dream.....then again we don't have 40ft snakes to fight!

Deliberate Science > Random Evolutionary Processes.

Genetic engineering and cybernetics would make a machine that could smash Conan without slowing down. This is what always makes me call bullshit on 'the outer demons have to assume an Earthly form' in the Conan stories. So what? They could make themselves nanobots or invincible carbon-vanadium-iridium tanks. There's nothing other than plot reasoning to make them so weak - certainly Set could figure out how to build a hydrogen bomb after a few billion years. Hell, a college physics student and a couple of engineers could do it, now that the principle's understood.

I wouldn't read it though , I love the fact that man in many disguises, disguises his knowledge with evil intent like Thoth Amon etc (Comic version). When Howard wrote of Conan, it was at the basis of human strength and fitness that overcame adversity and arcane knowledge. Take a man in the front formation of the Roman army, great peripheral vision, speed of sword arm or spear and strength of shield handling getting pummelled, does make him a survivor, thus his genes. That genetics goes onto to proprogate around his crazing area and makes sons that are highly skilled strong and fast farmers in times of peace. The genetics is passed onto the sons and daughters of a survivor and then lives on. In todays civilisation, a man can shoot a man in the back from a thousand yards and have tea while doing it, also shoot a missle from the safety of the base. The soldier on the front line using hand to hand gets better genetically as his dna is tested to the limit and may improve through knowledge of the encounter. His fibre is tested, or as we call it today....his METAL. The person in the sub gets to proprogate his genes, the sniper gets to have children and his genes pass onto the next down through the years, hands down the foot soldier gets his ass blown up and does not get to procreate his genes thus we lose important genetics to the gene pool!

Hence my belief that we are infact doomed as civilised man and your forefathers maybe to blame for the degenerative diseases and issues in your short sightedness, obesity, heart disease and stroke etc as they were not survivors on the front line. I wear glasses and have high trigs, time for me to try and condition my genes now, so my kids get a better chance when I procreate.

The reality is that Howard knew this I feel and he infused this in his writing of his characters; we should nurture that as the winning formula, as the man at the coal face should be made king, as was Conan when he took the crown of Aquilonia the greatest shinning kingdom, which a man of Conan's calibur deserved more than any blue blood!

Dave, I often love what you write, but I have to tell you, you are not going to improve your genetics by exercise, or "right living". With the exception of certain obscure effects of epigenetics, nothing that you do will affect the genes you pass on to your children.

Paradoxically, a lot of the metabolic diseases that afflict modern man are the result of the privations that our ancestors survived. Our primitive ancestors evolved to thrive in conditions of near famine, and grossly unsterile environments. Our hunter-gatherer ancestors evolved to be "nutrient-thrifty", to conserve the nutrients they ingested and get maximum benefit from minimum nutrition. The mechanisms they evolved cause us, their descendants, to develop obesity, diabetes, and heart disease when we eat plenty of food. Our ancestors developed fiercely protective immune systems to survive in septic conditions. In modern conditions of cleanliness and sterility, we develop allergies and auto-immune diseases like lupus and multiple sclerosis.

Sorry about that. However, exercise and right-living will have a positive effect on your own life. Your children will benefit if you have a longer and healthier life, and hang around longer to make their lives happier.

Edited by Ironhand, 10 June 2012 - 07:40 AM.

[Dave the Rage]

Dam you Iron, I now blame you for my lack of energy?!

So true what you write, MS is an affliction of the immune system no doubt as many Scotch who seem to have a higher prevalence of it can votch for. I to have it n the family with the older bro. We believe that it is a genetic flaw that has been handed down because of forefathers and ancestors in our stagnant gene pool tbh. We have discussed and laughed over some whisky (when I drank it) the fact that are forefathers must have hid in caves or dodged the frontline too much!! lol

In a viking story recorded in the dark ages supposedly they had an illness that caused limbs to sleep, they sang of it and left the warriors out to sleep in the snow over night, thus killing the potential gene from procreating. There own form of nugenics it seems.

Must point out, I don't mean over 1 life span to arradicate auto immune and illness, I am talking of instilling in human beings the fact that damage now to the genetics in this life is damage for the future generations over thosands of generations? I am doing my Asimov foundations experiment! Which can take the next million years passing down to future generations the technigue of strengthening your genes from complete destruction. Currently readng LRHubbards Dianetics lol.....you never know what the future holds. I read somewhere, " If you are ill today it is because of what you did in the past, to be well in the future change your present, so your future does'nt repeat the past!". (Some monk book....ahhh Deli Lama)

I'm sure I'm wrong no doubt, but I think of the positivity it gives my kids to eat right and handle things we take for granted with care....like alchohol and drugs etc.

Conan sat on the crown of Aquilonia because he did'nt dodge hard work, but his past strengthened him for the future. REH left us many gifts, just need to read between the lines Cromrades.

Edited by Dave the Rage, 10 June 2012 - 10:18 AM.