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Posted 02 June 2012 - 08:13 AM
A cross between Snow White and Red Nails. A dark tale of love and hate, death and immortality, magic both foul and fair. Charlize Theron is scary brilliant. Chris Hemsworth is much grimmer and grimier than when he plays Thor. And if you feel like screaming "Plot hole!" every time Snow White gets lucky, remember, it's a fairy tale. A much more difficult disbelief to suspend is the idea that Kristen Stewart is fairer than Charlize Theron.
SPOILER WARNING
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Snow White doesn't get the handsome prince.
SPOILER WARNING
Highlight to read.
Snow White doesn't get the handsome prince.
"Did you deem yourself strong, because you were able to twist the heads off civilized folk, poor weaklings with muscles like rotten string? Hell! Break the neck of a wild Cimmerian bull before you call yourself strong. I did that, before I was a full-grown man...!" - Conan, in "Shadows in Zamboula", by Robert E. Howard
"... you speak of Venarium familiarly. Perhaps you were there?"
"I was," grunted [Conan]. "I was one of the horde that swarmed over the hills. I hadn't yet seen fifteen snows, but already my name was repeated about the council fires." - "Beyond the Black River", by Robert E. Howard
Read my Conan screenplays at The Scrolls of Ironhand (in particular my transcription of THE FROST GIANT'S DAUGHTER in Act II of "The Snow Devil") at
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"... you speak of Venarium familiarly. Perhaps you were there?"
"I was," grunted [Conan]. "I was one of the horde that swarmed over the hills. I hadn't yet seen fifteen snows, but already my name was repeated about the council fires." - "Beyond the Black River", by Robert E. Howard
Read my Conan screenplays at The Scrolls of Ironhand (in particular my transcription of THE FROST GIANT'S DAUGHTER in Act II of "The Snow Devil") at
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Posted 02 June 2012 - 04:23 PM
I think Charlize's costume in this movie is wicked. Judging simply from appearance, she's the best evil queen I've seen on screen (though I haven't seen the film yet). I love it!
I hear ya!
A much more difficult disbelief to suspend is the idea that Kristen Stewart is fairer than Charlize Theron.
I hear ya!
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Posted 02 June 2012 - 07:09 PM
A much more difficult disbelief to suspend is the idea that Kristen Stewart is fairer than Charlize Theron.
I thought the same thing when I saw the preview. They needed Kate Beckinsale or somebody fairer.
I haven't seen it, so I didn't highlight your spoiler. But, did you like it?
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Posted 03 June 2012 - 12:49 AM
YES!!! I apologize for not making that clear.
A much more difficult disbelief to suspend is the idea that Kristen Stewart is fairer than Charlize Theron.
I thought the same thing when I saw the preview. They needed Kate Beckinsale or somebody fairer.
I haven't seen it, so I didn't highlight your spoiler. But, did you like it?
Edited by Ironhand, 03 June 2012 - 12:50 AM.
"Did you deem yourself strong, because you were able to twist the heads off civilized folk, poor weaklings with muscles like rotten string? Hell! Break the neck of a wild Cimmerian bull before you call yourself strong. I did that, before I was a full-grown man...!" - Conan, in "Shadows in Zamboula", by Robert E. Howard
"... you speak of Venarium familiarly. Perhaps you were there?"
"I was," grunted [Conan]. "I was one of the horde that swarmed over the hills. I hadn't yet seen fifteen snows, but already my name was repeated about the council fires." - "Beyond the Black River", by Robert E. Howard
Read my Conan screenplays at The Scrolls of Ironhand (in particular my transcription of THE FROST GIANT'S DAUGHTER in Act II of "The Snow Devil") at
http://www.scrollsof...d.us/index.html or at
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"... you speak of Venarium familiarly. Perhaps you were there?"
"I was," grunted [Conan]. "I was one of the horde that swarmed over the hills. I hadn't yet seen fifteen snows, but already my name was repeated about the council fires." - "Beyond the Black River", by Robert E. Howard
Read my Conan screenplays at The Scrolls of Ironhand (in particular my transcription of THE FROST GIANT'S DAUGHTER in Act II of "The Snow Devil") at
http://www.scrollsof...d.us/index.html or at
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Posted 03 June 2012 - 12:53 AM
In this movie, Charlize switches faces and personalities as often and as easily as she switches costumes.I think Charlize's costume in this movie is wicked. Judging simply from appearance, she's the best evil queen I've seen on screen (though I haven't seen the film yet). I love it!
A much more difficult disbelief to suspend is the idea that Kristen Stewart is fairer than Charlize Theron.
"Did you deem yourself strong, because you were able to twist the heads off civilized folk, poor weaklings with muscles like rotten string? Hell! Break the neck of a wild Cimmerian bull before you call yourself strong. I did that, before I was a full-grown man...!" - Conan, in "Shadows in Zamboula", by Robert E. Howard
"... you speak of Venarium familiarly. Perhaps you were there?"
"I was," grunted [Conan]. "I was one of the horde that swarmed over the hills. I hadn't yet seen fifteen snows, but already my name was repeated about the council fires." - "Beyond the Black River", by Robert E. Howard
Read my Conan screenplays at The Scrolls of Ironhand (in particular my transcription of THE FROST GIANT'S DAUGHTER in Act II of "The Snow Devil") at
http://www.scrollsof...d.us/index.html or at
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"... you speak of Venarium familiarly. Perhaps you were there?"
"I was," grunted [Conan]. "I was one of the horde that swarmed over the hills. I hadn't yet seen fifteen snows, but already my name was repeated about the council fires." - "Beyond the Black River", by Robert E. Howard
Read my Conan screenplays at The Scrolls of Ironhand (in particular my transcription of THE FROST GIANT'S DAUGHTER in Act II of "The Snow Devil") at
http://www.scrollsof...d.us/index.html or at
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Posted 03 June 2012 - 04:13 AM
A great movie, where Snow White (Kristen Stewart) looks like a black-haired version of Dark Agnes and Red Sonya! 
But I expected a few more of the film - Snow White's deeds after she became a queen, and who she choose for being her king (William or the Huntsman?)...
But I expected a few more of the film - Snow White's deeds after she became a queen, and who she choose for being her king (William or the Huntsman?)...
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Posted 03 June 2012 - 04:43 AM
In fact, that's my biggest beef about the movie - SW's romantic fate is unresolved.A great movie, where Snow White (Kristen Stewart) looks like a black-haired version of Dark Agnes and Red Sonya!
"Did you deem yourself strong, because you were able to twist the heads off civilized folk, poor weaklings with muscles like rotten string? Hell! Break the neck of a wild Cimmerian bull before you call yourself strong. I did that, before I was a full-grown man...!" - Conan, in "Shadows in Zamboula", by Robert E. Howard
"... you speak of Venarium familiarly. Perhaps you were there?"
"I was," grunted [Conan]. "I was one of the horde that swarmed over the hills. I hadn't yet seen fifteen snows, but already my name was repeated about the council fires." - "Beyond the Black River", by Robert E. Howard
Read my Conan screenplays at The Scrolls of Ironhand (in particular my transcription of THE FROST GIANT'S DAUGHTER in Act II of "The Snow Devil") at
http://www.scrollsof...d.us/index.html or at
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"... you speak of Venarium familiarly. Perhaps you were there?"
"I was," grunted [Conan]. "I was one of the horde that swarmed over the hills. I hadn't yet seen fifteen snows, but already my name was repeated about the council fires." - "Beyond the Black River", by Robert E. Howard
Read my Conan screenplays at The Scrolls of Ironhand (in particular my transcription of THE FROST GIANT'S DAUGHTER in Act II of "The Snow Devil") at
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Posted 03 June 2012 - 03:09 PM
Saw it last night. Excellent writing. Excellent presention of the material. Excellent production values.
What hurts the film terribly for me is the miscasting of Kristen Stewart as Snow White. She's not amazingly beautiful, and she doesn't strike me as one of ultimate purity. Although serviceable, she's not even a gifted actress. With her big ears and buck teeth, she looks very much like your average chick next door. This was the wrong part for her.
What could have been an exceptional movie becomes an OK-pretty good movie because of her.
Everybody else in the film--and I mean everybody--was great. From Charlize Theron, to Chris Hemsworth, Sam Claflin, all the dwarves, the bad queen's brother...everybody owned their roles.
Except for Kristen, who belongs more in stories set in the 21st century.
What hurts the film terribly for me is the miscasting of Kristen Stewart as Snow White. She's not amazingly beautiful, and she doesn't strike me as one of ultimate purity. Although serviceable, she's not even a gifted actress. With her big ears and buck teeth, she looks very much like your average chick next door. This was the wrong part for her.
What could have been an exceptional movie becomes an OK-pretty good movie because of her.
Everybody else in the film--and I mean everybody--was great. From Charlize Theron, to Chris Hemsworth, Sam Claflin, all the dwarves, the bad queen's brother...everybody owned their roles.
Except for Kristen, who belongs more in stories set in the 21st century.
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Posted 03 June 2012 - 04:46 PM
Between this, the other Snow White movie, and The Hobbit, this must be a banner year for fantasy dwarves on the big screen.
"It is more than a mortal sea. Your hands are red with blood and you follow a red sea-path, yet the fault is not wholly with you. Almighty God, when will the reign of blood cease?"
Turlogh shook his head. "Not so long as the race lasts."
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Turlogh shook his head. "Not so long as the race lasts."
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Posted 03 June 2012 - 10:29 PM
Don't forget Game of Thrones, with a dwarven superstar in the making.Between this, the other Snow White movie, and The Hobbit, this must be a banner year for fantasy dwarves on the big screen.
"Did you deem yourself strong, because you were able to twist the heads off civilized folk, poor weaklings with muscles like rotten string? Hell! Break the neck of a wild Cimmerian bull before you call yourself strong. I did that, before I was a full-grown man...!" - Conan, in "Shadows in Zamboula", by Robert E. Howard
"... you speak of Venarium familiarly. Perhaps you were there?"
"I was," grunted [Conan]. "I was one of the horde that swarmed over the hills. I hadn't yet seen fifteen snows, but already my name was repeated about the council fires." - "Beyond the Black River", by Robert E. Howard
Read my Conan screenplays at The Scrolls of Ironhand (in particular my transcription of THE FROST GIANT'S DAUGHTER in Act II of "The Snow Devil") at
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"... you speak of Venarium familiarly. Perhaps you were there?"
"I was," grunted [Conan]. "I was one of the horde that swarmed over the hills. I hadn't yet seen fifteen snows, but already my name was repeated about the council fires." - "Beyond the Black River", by Robert E. Howard
Read my Conan screenplays at The Scrolls of Ironhand (in particular my transcription of THE FROST GIANT'S DAUGHTER in Act II of "The Snow Devil") at
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Posted 03 June 2012 - 10:30 PM
In my heart of hearts, I agreed with you, but I was too chivalrous to say so.Saw it last night. Excellent writing. Excellent presention of the material. Excellent production values.
What hurts the film terribly for me is the miscasting of Kristen Stewart as Snow White. She's not amazingly beautiful, and she doesn't strike me as one of ultimate purity. Although serviceable, she's not even a gifted actress. With her big ears and buck teeth, she looks very much like your average chick next door. This was the wrong part for her.
What could have been an exceptional movie becomes an OK-pretty good movie because of her.
Everybody else in the film--and I mean everybody--was great. From Charlize Theron, to Chris Hemsworth, Sam Claflin, all the dwarves, the bad queen's brother...everybody owned their roles.
Except for Kristen, who belongs more in stories set in the 21st century.
"Did you deem yourself strong, because you were able to twist the heads off civilized folk, poor weaklings with muscles like rotten string? Hell! Break the neck of a wild Cimmerian bull before you call yourself strong. I did that, before I was a full-grown man...!" - Conan, in "Shadows in Zamboula", by Robert E. Howard
"... you speak of Venarium familiarly. Perhaps you were there?"
"I was," grunted [Conan]. "I was one of the horde that swarmed over the hills. I hadn't yet seen fifteen snows, but already my name was repeated about the council fires." - "Beyond the Black River", by Robert E. Howard
Read my Conan screenplays at The Scrolls of Ironhand (in particular my transcription of THE FROST GIANT'S DAUGHTER in Act II of "The Snow Devil") at
http://www.scrollsof...d.us/index.html or at
http://www.delicious...ic=ConanProject
"... you speak of Venarium familiarly. Perhaps you were there?"
"I was," grunted [Conan]. "I was one of the horde that swarmed over the hills. I hadn't yet seen fifteen snows, but already my name was repeated about the council fires." - "Beyond the Black River", by Robert E. Howard
Read my Conan screenplays at The Scrolls of Ironhand (in particular my transcription of THE FROST GIANT'S DAUGHTER in Act II of "The Snow Devil") at
http://www.scrollsof...d.us/index.html or at
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Posted 04 June 2012 - 12:36 AM
Don't forget Game of Thrones, with a dwarven superstar in the making.
Between this, the other Snow White movie, and The Hobbit, this must be a banner year for fantasy dwarves on the big screen.
Yes, but Tyrion is a human dwarf, not a fantasy beard-and-warhammer dwarf.
"It is more than a mortal sea. Your hands are red with blood and you follow a red sea-path, yet the fault is not wholly with you. Almighty God, when will the reign of blood cease?"
Turlogh shook his head. "Not so long as the race lasts."
--- The Dark Man, by Robert E. Howard
Turlogh shook his head. "Not so long as the race lasts."
--- The Dark Man, by Robert E. Howard
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Posted 04 June 2012 - 03:35 AM
Wow, so this is actually a decent/good movie? That's cool because my wife wants to see it. Glad to hear the Thor dude plays are grimmer role. I always figured he had more potential than what he did with Thor. Of course, I always thought Thor has been betrayed as a very dry character. Kinda boring to me. I'm not so sure anyone has ever cast him right, in the comics or beyond. Then again, maybe that is just how he is. I just think Conan and Hercules would be more fun to go drinking with.
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Posted 04 June 2012 - 04:54 AM
Yes, but Tyrion is a human dwarf, not a fantasy beard-and-warhammer dwarf.
I think the important thing is that dwarves are finding employment. Good for the micro-economy, ya know.
And Tyrion is smarter than any of those jock dwarves.
"Did you deem yourself strong, because you were able to twist the heads off civilized folk, poor weaklings with muscles like rotten string? Hell! Break the neck of a wild Cimmerian bull before you call yourself strong. I did that, before I was a full-grown man...!" - Conan, in "Shadows in Zamboula", by Robert E. Howard
"... you speak of Venarium familiarly. Perhaps you were there?"
"I was," grunted [Conan]. "I was one of the horde that swarmed over the hills. I hadn't yet seen fifteen snows, but already my name was repeated about the council fires." - "Beyond the Black River", by Robert E. Howard
Read my Conan screenplays at The Scrolls of Ironhand (in particular my transcription of THE FROST GIANT'S DAUGHTER in Act II of "The Snow Devil") at
http://www.scrollsof...d.us/index.html or at
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"... you speak of Venarium familiarly. Perhaps you were there?"
"I was," grunted [Conan]. "I was one of the horde that swarmed over the hills. I hadn't yet seen fifteen snows, but already my name was repeated about the council fires." - "Beyond the Black River", by Robert E. Howard
Read my Conan screenplays at The Scrolls of Ironhand (in particular my transcription of THE FROST GIANT'S DAUGHTER in Act II of "The Snow Devil") at
http://www.scrollsof...d.us/index.html or at
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Posted 04 June 2012 - 04:58 AM
My impression from the myths is that Herc is a very serious and earnest fellow, not much fun. He would probably seriously drink you under the table, and not even see the humor of it. Whereas the mythological Thor was a party animal.Wow, so this is actually a decent/good movie? That's cool because my wife wants to see it. Glad to hear the Thor dude plays are grimmer role. I always figured he had more potential than what he did with Thor. Of course, I always thought Thor has been betrayed as a very dry character. Kinda boring to me. I'm not so sure anyone has ever cast him right, in the comics or beyond. Then again, maybe that is just how he is. I just think Conan and Hercules would be more fun to go drinking with.
In the Marvel Comic version, Herc has an even bigger ego than Thor. And worse anger management problems.
"Did you deem yourself strong, because you were able to twist the heads off civilized folk, poor weaklings with muscles like rotten string? Hell! Break the neck of a wild Cimmerian bull before you call yourself strong. I did that, before I was a full-grown man...!" - Conan, in "Shadows in Zamboula", by Robert E. Howard
"... you speak of Venarium familiarly. Perhaps you were there?"
"I was," grunted [Conan]. "I was one of the horde that swarmed over the hills. I hadn't yet seen fifteen snows, but already my name was repeated about the council fires." - "Beyond the Black River", by Robert E. Howard
Read my Conan screenplays at The Scrolls of Ironhand (in particular my transcription of THE FROST GIANT'S DAUGHTER in Act II of "The Snow Devil") at
http://www.scrollsof...d.us/index.html or at
http://www.delicious...ic=ConanProject
"... you speak of Venarium familiarly. Perhaps you were there?"
"I was," grunted [Conan]. "I was one of the horde that swarmed over the hills. I hadn't yet seen fifteen snows, but already my name was repeated about the council fires." - "Beyond the Black River", by Robert E. Howard
Read my Conan screenplays at The Scrolls of Ironhand (in particular my transcription of THE FROST GIANT'S DAUGHTER in Act II of "The Snow Devil") at
http://www.scrollsof...d.us/index.html or at
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Posted 04 June 2012 - 11:10 AM
I think Charlize's costume in this movie is wicked. Judging simply from appearance, she's the best evil queen I've seen on screen (though I haven't seen the film yet). I love it!
And Kristen is the ugliest Snow White I 've seen on screen.
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Posted 04 June 2012 - 08:45 PM
Geeze, you guys are SO mean!
"Did you deem yourself strong, because you were able to twist the heads off civilized folk, poor weaklings with muscles like rotten string? Hell! Break the neck of a wild Cimmerian bull before you call yourself strong. I did that, before I was a full-grown man...!" - Conan, in "Shadows in Zamboula", by Robert E. Howard
"... you speak of Venarium familiarly. Perhaps you were there?"
"I was," grunted [Conan]. "I was one of the horde that swarmed over the hills. I hadn't yet seen fifteen snows, but already my name was repeated about the council fires." - "Beyond the Black River", by Robert E. Howard
Read my Conan screenplays at The Scrolls of Ironhand (in particular my transcription of THE FROST GIANT'S DAUGHTER in Act II of "The Snow Devil") at
http://www.scrollsof...d.us/index.html or at
http://www.delicious...ic=ConanProject
"... you speak of Venarium familiarly. Perhaps you were there?"
"I was," grunted [Conan]. "I was one of the horde that swarmed over the hills. I hadn't yet seen fifteen snows, but already my name was repeated about the council fires." - "Beyond the Black River", by Robert E. Howard
Read my Conan screenplays at The Scrolls of Ironhand (in particular my transcription of THE FROST GIANT'S DAUGHTER in Act II of "The Snow Devil") at
http://www.scrollsof...d.us/index.html or at
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Posted 04 June 2012 - 10:14 PM
LOL, in speaking with a co-worker today, he thinks Kristen is the sexist thing since Angelina Jolie. I'm not that big on Angelina, but I see what people see in her.
With Kristen, I'm at a total loss.
With Kristen, I'm at a total loss.
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Posted 05 June 2012 - 12:29 AM
Ha! Boot - switch the names, and that would be my story.
Jolie makes my skin crawl.
Miss Stewart, like some folks that are considered really attractive, can also look rather weird at times. But I think she looks great a lot of the time.
Jolie makes my skin crawl.
Miss Stewart, like some folks that are considered really attractive, can also look rather weird at times. But I think she looks great a lot of the time.
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Posted 05 June 2012 - 12:59 AM
I've yet to see this film, and will probably wait until it is released on DVD, but while you boys can't stand Miss Stewart, I usually recoil in repulsion at even the mention of Chris Hemsworth 
Judging by the trailer alone, Sigourney Weaver is the superior Evil Queen as seen in the film Snow White~ A Tale of Terror (or Snow White in the Black Forest as it is sometimes known). Monica Keener is also more suited to the role of Snow White than Kirsten Stewart is.
Judging by the trailer alone, Sigourney Weaver is the superior Evil Queen as seen in the film Snow White~ A Tale of Terror (or Snow White in the Black Forest as it is sometimes known). Monica Keener is also more suited to the role of Snow White than Kirsten Stewart is.
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