Maybe Pixar was trying to send us a message.
Edited by Ironhand, 25 June 2012 - 03:36 AM.
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Posted 25 June 2012 - 02:34 AM
BEAUTIFUL animation of naturalistic animals and action. You will spot Conan auditioning in a bit part. Doesn't get the girl, doesn't even do anything important. Looks somewhat cartoonish with a big jaw and little bandy legs, but in musculature, skin color and texture, and battlescars, unmistakably Conan.
Maybe Pixar was trying to send us a message.
Maybe Pixar was trying to send us a message.
"Did you deem yourself strong, because you were able to twist the heads off civilized folk, poor weaklings with muscles like rotten string? Hell! Break the neck of a wild Cimmerian bull before you call yourself strong. I did that, before I was a full-grown man...!" - Conan, in "Shadows in Zamboula", by Robert E. Howard
"... you speak of Venarium familiarly. Perhaps you were there?"
"I was," grunted [Conan]. "I was one of the horde that swarmed over the hills. I hadn't yet seen fifteen snows, but already my name was repeated about the council fires." - "Beyond the Black River", by Robert E. Howard
Read my Conan screenplays at The Scrolls of Ironhand (in particular my transcription of THE FROST GIANT'S DAUGHTER in Act II of "The Snow Devil") at
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"... you speak of Venarium familiarly. Perhaps you were there?"
"I was," grunted [Conan]. "I was one of the horde that swarmed over the hills. I hadn't yet seen fifteen snows, but already my name was repeated about the council fires." - "Beyond the Black River", by Robert E. Howard
Read my Conan screenplays at The Scrolls of Ironhand (in particular my transcription of THE FROST GIANT'S DAUGHTER in Act II of "The Snow Devil") at
http://www.scrollsof...d.us/index.html or at
http://www.delicious...ic=ConanProject
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Posted 25 June 2012 - 02:42 AM
It seems like a lot of Conan artists forget that the guy is criss-crossed with scars like roads on a map. He's often a bit too prettied up in the drawings; it's nice that Pixar seems to have put a nod to the Barbarian. Perhaps they just said 'Barbarian muscleman' in the script and some sneaky character designer had read some Howard and put the prototype in.
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Posted 25 June 2012 - 05:23 AM
I agree. The renderings, lighting and animation were better than in any animated film I have seen. They even looked more realistic than in that overrated movie...BEAUTIFUL animation of naturalistic animals and action.
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You will spot Conan auditioning in a bit part. Doesn't get the girl, doesn't even do anything important.
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Well, as far as I remember, he was subduing some weakling during the celebration brawl. And, at the end of the movie, he gets the maid...
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Posted 25 June 2012 - 05:28 AM
I actually like the idea of Conan as a background character like that. It sort of adds to the mystique of the Warrior that people might see him and never think twice, not even suspecting that they were in the presence of greatness.
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Posted 25 June 2012 - 07:01 AM
that does look like a good animated conan .
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Posted 25 June 2012 - 04:59 PM
Damn, I have another reason to see this now.
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Turlogh shook his head. "Not so long as the race lasts."
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Posted 25 June 2012 - 06:00 PM
Ummm, it seems a little exaggerated for comic effect, but I can see what you mean.
Probably a lot of little girls are going to be shooting bows now.,
Probably a lot of little girls are going to be shooting bows now.,
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Posted 25 June 2012 - 06:11 PM
oh ya between this and hunger games, i suspect there will be a fair share of female scottish or none scottish archers, this summer at ten fest,s
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Posted 29 June 2012 - 06:59 AM
I actually thought the same thing when I went to see Brave, I saw the character and was like look it's Conan.
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Posted 29 June 2012 - 01:08 PM
This guy may not be Conan of Cimmeria, but he could be Conan of the Reavers ...
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Posted 08 July 2012 - 07:39 AM
I thought it was more reminiscent of "Braveheart" than Conan. But the Conan lookalike was easy to spot, I agree.
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Posted 03 August 2012 - 05:55 PM
hey folks,
i'm about to watch "brave", and i think that many of you would be qualified to spot any howardian references in this film, which imho has "tribute to howard" written all over it, from the red-haired heroine to the picts, of which at least one could be seen in the trailer. so what do you think? am i seeing to much into the film?
i'm about to watch "brave", and i think that many of you would be qualified to spot any howardian references in this film, which imho has "tribute to howard" written all over it, from the red-haired heroine to the picts, of which at least one could be seen in the trailer. so what do you think? am i seeing to much into the film?
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Posted 04 August 2012 - 06:49 AM
Except for "Conan", I don't see it as a tribute to REH. I think the movie is aimed at teenage girls.
"Did you deem yourself strong, because you were able to twist the heads off civilized folk, poor weaklings with muscles like rotten string? Hell! Break the neck of a wild Cimmerian bull before you call yourself strong. I did that, before I was a full-grown man...!" - Conan, in "Shadows in Zamboula", by Robert E. Howard
"... you speak of Venarium familiarly. Perhaps you were there?"
"I was," grunted [Conan]. "I was one of the horde that swarmed over the hills. I hadn't yet seen fifteen snows, but already my name was repeated about the council fires." - "Beyond the Black River", by Robert E. Howard
Read my Conan screenplays at The Scrolls of Ironhand (in particular my transcription of THE FROST GIANT'S DAUGHTER in Act II of "The Snow Devil") at
http://www.scrollsof...d.us/index.html or at
http://www.delicious...ic=ConanProject
"... you speak of Venarium familiarly. Perhaps you were there?"
"I was," grunted [Conan]. "I was one of the horde that swarmed over the hills. I hadn't yet seen fifteen snows, but already my name was repeated about the council fires." - "Beyond the Black River", by Robert E. Howard
Read my Conan screenplays at The Scrolls of Ironhand (in particular my transcription of THE FROST GIANT'S DAUGHTER in Act II of "The Snow Devil") at
http://www.scrollsof...d.us/index.html or at
http://www.delicious...ic=ConanProject
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Posted 05 August 2012 - 08:00 PM
Except for "Conan", I don't see it as a tribute to REH. I think the movie is aimed at teenage girls.
Well it is expected to join the "Disney Princess" franchise.
Anyway, I loved the visuals, the music, and the voice-acting. My problem was that the story was kinda boring. It didn't feel to the same caliber as other Disney adventure films; to me it felt like one of those spin-off prequels/sequels/interquels they make after the fact. Someone called it "Freaky Friday with Bears", with is sort of true. It should have focused more on adventure than the "bear" angle (trying not to spoil it for anyone who hasn't seen it yet).
The movie could still have been about "girl power" without doing one thing I noticed about it: there are no male characters that aren't either 1) pranksters, 2) stupid, 3) douchebags, or 4) mute. Merida's father is really the only exception that I can remember. There are no positive male characters for the young male audience to connect to the film with. Is that a double-standard, as not a lot of movies give the comparable thing to the female audience? Probably. But what would have put Brave above that is to have characters that appeal to the full-spectrum of gender audience without cheapening the characterization on either side.
That brings me to the question that I seem to have difficulty asking without causing some kind of war between the sexes: can movies that inspire girls exist only without endearing male characters? I'd like to think not.
Edited by Kylel Ironclaw, 05 August 2012 - 08:02 PM.
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Posted 06 August 2012 - 06:08 AM
Considering the target audience of the movie, if there were a "sympathetic" male character, he would be a "sensitive" and/or dorky girly-boy who gets into trouble so the female hero can rescue him.
Except for "Conan", I don't see it as a tribute to REH. I think the movie is aimed at teenage girls.
Well it is expected to join the "Disney Princess" franchise.
Anyway, I loved the visuals, the music, and the voice-acting. My problem was that the story was kinda boring. It didn't feel to the same caliber as other Disney adventure films; to me it felt like one of those spin-off prequels/sequels/interquels they make after the fact. Someone called it "Freaky Friday with Bears", with is sort of true. It should have focused more on adventure than the "bear" angle (trying not to spoil it for anyone who hasn't seen it yet).
The movie could still have been about "girl power" without doing one thing I noticed about it: there are no male characters that aren't either 1) pranksters, 2) stupid, 3) douchebags, or 4) mute. Merida's father is really the only exception that I can remember. There are no positive male characters for the young male audience to connect to the film with. Is that a double-standard, as not a lot of movies give the comparable thing to the female audience? Probably. But what would have put Brave above that is to have characters that appeal to the full-spectrum of gender audience without cheapening the characterization on either side.
That brings me to the question that I seem to have difficulty asking without causing some kind of war between the sexes: can movies that inspire girls exist only without endearing male characters? I'd like to think not.
Incidentally, a friend of mine who is about my age took a gaggle of teen and subteen girls to the movie, and told me that their favorite part of the movie was when (highlight to see spoiler) ... the three little boy bearcubs turned back into naked human boys and ran away from the camera with their naked little boy butts bouncing. The girls really loved that part and giggled up a storm.
Edited by Ironhand, 06 August 2012 - 06:14 AM.
"Did you deem yourself strong, because you were able to twist the heads off civilized folk, poor weaklings with muscles like rotten string? Hell! Break the neck of a wild Cimmerian bull before you call yourself strong. I did that, before I was a full-grown man...!" - Conan, in "Shadows in Zamboula", by Robert E. Howard
"... you speak of Venarium familiarly. Perhaps you were there?"
"I was," grunted [Conan]. "I was one of the horde that swarmed over the hills. I hadn't yet seen fifteen snows, but already my name was repeated about the council fires." - "Beyond the Black River", by Robert E. Howard
Read my Conan screenplays at The Scrolls of Ironhand (in particular my transcription of THE FROST GIANT'S DAUGHTER in Act II of "The Snow Devil") at
http://www.scrollsof...d.us/index.html or at
http://www.delicious...ic=ConanProject
"... you speak of Venarium familiarly. Perhaps you were there?"
"I was," grunted [Conan]. "I was one of the horde that swarmed over the hills. I hadn't yet seen fifteen snows, but already my name was repeated about the council fires." - "Beyond the Black River", by Robert E. Howard
Read my Conan screenplays at The Scrolls of Ironhand (in particular my transcription of THE FROST GIANT'S DAUGHTER in Act II of "The Snow Devil") at
http://www.scrollsof...d.us/index.html or at
http://www.delicious...ic=ConanProject
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Posted 15 September 2012 - 10:41 AM
Holy cow, I never even saw the movie and I already love it! That picture of a barbarian made me laugh out loud just now! 
I'll rent a DVD and watch it tonight! Seriously, that barbarian is so awesome, like a combination of Conan and Groo!!!!
And yes, I agree it's probably a nod to the legendary Conan (keep in mind that it was Howard's Conan that cemented the image of a macho Barbarian in everyone's head back in the '80s).
Also, I'm a huge fan of Pixar.
I'll rent a DVD and watch it tonight! Seriously, that barbarian is so awesome, like a combination of Conan and Groo!!!!
And yes, I agree it's probably a nod to the legendary Conan (keep in mind that it was Howard's Conan that cemented the image of a macho Barbarian in everyone's head back in the '80s).
Also, I'm a huge fan of Pixar.
Edited by TiriusBanner, 15 September 2012 - 10:42 AM.
