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#1 Taranaich

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 06:55 PM

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Brian Wood and Vasilis Lolos’s “Border Fury” concludes, as the secret behind Conan’s impostor is revealed! Separated on Cimmeria’s frozen plains, Conan and Bêlit each fight handicapped while facing a deadly foe — Conan by the unexpected identity of his pretender and Bêlit by debilitating snow blindness.


*Pedantic Esoteric Nitpick of the Week*

Seriously, snow-blindness in Cimmeria?  A land of darkness and deep night, where the sun rarely breaks through the clouds, apparently still has people at risk from photokeratitis - which is something that happens when excessive UV rays from sunlight reflects from snow and ice. I can definitely see this as a hazard in Nordheim or even Hyperborea, certainly the upper reaches of the Himelians, but definitely not Cimmeria.

See, this is what happens when you use only "Queen of the Black Coast" and tacitly ignore the rest of the stories, because in QotBC, there are a few links of Cimmeria to cold:


To the people of the exotic climes, the north was a mazy half-mythical realm, peopled with ferocious blue-eyed giants who occasionally descended from their icy fastnesses with torch and sword.

(emphasis on to the people of the exotic climes: it's clear they conflate the Cimmerians and Nordheimr as one people)


Oh, tiger of the North, you are cold as the snowy mountains which bred you.

(This is Belit talking, she who has never actually seen Cimmeria, and explicitly saw no difference between Cimmerians and Nordheimr)



“In this world men struggle and suffer vainly, finding pleasure only in the bright madness of battle; dying, their souls enter a gray misty realm of clouds and icy winds, to wander cheerlessly throughout eternity.”

"It may be the blackness averred by the Nemedian skeptics, or Crom’s realm of ice and cloud..."

(The Cimmerian afterlife isn't necessarily reflective of Cimmeria as a whole)


So if you take those, and only those, descriptions of Cimmeria, I can understand coming away with the impression that Cimmeria was a land of "icy fastness," "snowy mountains," "icy winds," "ice and cloud" and whatnot. Unfortunately, that means effectively ignoring nearly every other description of Cimmeria in every other story, to say nothing of the poem "Cimmeria," which is a problematic approach for obvious reasons. I don't know what Dark Horse were thinking telling Brian to ignore everything else.

*Pedantic Esoteric Nitpick of the Week, deactivate*

That nitpick aside, lovely cover, beautifully rendered by Massimo Carnevale. Can't wait to find out what the unexpected identity of the pretender is (Relative? Offspring? Old Nemesis? Evil Twin from an Alternate Universe?), should be fun.

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 07:44 PM

We'll see exactly where they are when the issue comes out, maybe they're on the northern border. The Cimmeria arc had a lot of snow and ice in it and Conan was coming from the southeast (didn't Connacht also get buried in the snow?), so it may not be completely out of synch with what's been seen before.

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 08:07 PM

What's that dangling from her neck? If it's a whistle why doesn't she blow it in case anyone is nearby? Maybe the animals were raised from pups by a human and are domesticated? I haven't been reading so I'm just guessing. If Vasilis is doing the cover and inside art which is 100 times better than before I'll have to check it out!

Maybe she fell down the snow face first running from something or someone and the compacted snow scratched her eyes. :D

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 08:38 PM

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That nitpick aside, lovely cover, beautifully rendered by Massimo Carnevale. Can't wait to find out what the unexpected identity of the pretender is (Relative? Offspring? Old Nemesis? Evil Twin from an Alternate Universe?), should be fun.


Carnevale continues to (conditionally) please me. :)

. Belit Never Went To Cimmeria. End of Story.

Why, in Crom's name, would Belit ask (maybe 48hrs BEFORE SHE DIED) "Who's Crom?" if she'd been to Cimmeria?

If there were another accurate source to recommend, I'd do so. As it is, my QotBC annotations are here:

http://www.conan.com...topic=4136&st=0

For me, this is just "Game Over". We're not talking, "Well, Wood didn't read ANY of the other REH Conan stories (he claims he DID). No, this a "reboot" from the ground up. It absolutely ignores everything we know about Conan and Belit on a literary level.

Let me remind everyone that I sent a "Best Wishes" PM to Wood eight months ago .

Conan (obviously) didn't "reveal" everything to Belit if she only found out about Crom while sailing up the Zarkheba. Why? We only see this level of revelation TWICE in the entire Conan canon (the other is PotS). Both times Conan was (unknowingly) heading to his "doom".


Wood has written himself into a corner. Prove me wrong (anyone). There's no way this can be reconciled with QotBC (let alone Howard's other Conan stories). The sad part is, Wood might have been able to "break the rules" and still have stayed FAR closer to Howard. Wood had a chance to really make "history"/a difference. Instead, he just changed everything out of all recognition in regards to Howard's creation.

"Imposter/Evil Twin"? You gotta be kiddin' me. :o The entire QotBC plotline/continuity was DESTROYED so that Conan could fight his "Evil Twin"? :rolleyes:

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 09:20 PM

I stopped reading this comic after issue #3. Seeing as how DH & Brian Wood aren't staying true to the REH stories (not completing the QoTBC story, & Belit being in Cimmeria). Is this comic worth reading anymore? It doesn't seem like it.....

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 09:34 PM

Snow blindness aside, this is surely one of the better covers. Nice work on this one.

I can't say I'm entirely pleased with where the story has been going thus far (and I agree with some of what deuce said above), but I'm curious to see how and why they're in the mountains of Cimmeria. I'll reserve further judgement until I read the issue.
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Posted 06 July 2012 - 10:50 PM

I heard that Conan and Belit will decide to live in the North Pole. Belit got used to the cold climate, was really tired of crossing the sea and decided it was time for her to settle down. The North Pole arch will last for 8 issues and the artists already shown by Slashing Sword plus Sergius from Groo will be working on it.
Seriously, guys, this cover is great, but Belit in Cimmeria is a bummer.

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 11:24 PM

I could be wrong but it seems that quite a few of you want to give Dark Horse the benefit of the doubt.When are you guys going to wake up and come to the realization that this "QOTBC" is a joke.I really can't believe that a lot of you guys are buying this.For what reason.Are you continuing with it in the hopes that it will get better art wise and story wise?Or are you doing it just to keep your collection complete.Well,I'll tell ya,the collection ended with "Road Of Kings" and that was bad enough as it was.Now Dark Horse has lowered their standards on one of the most classic of REH's Conan tales as well as one of THE most anticipated Conan arcs.So when the next arc begins and if DH decides to lower the standards even more,what are you gonna do?Continue to throw your money away at them and accept whatever crap they want to throw back at you.Come on guys wake up!!!!Dark Horse is playing you and getting away with it simply because they know they can.I just can't understand how there are those of you who say you love and respect REH and his writings and in particular the Conan character(and I emphasize CHARACTER)and yet you still continue to support this trash.Granted,it's not for me to judge anyone of you or anyone and afterall,it is a free country so you can spend your money the way you please but I believe that as long as "so called" REH/Conan fans continue to support companies like DH by letting them get way with cheapening the Conan character and REH,for that matter,Conan and REH will NEVER get the respect they deserve.Come on guys...I would expect this from pop culture kids but most of us have been following REH and Conan for many years and we should know better.Sure,their sales may have gotten better since QOTBC began but remember...not all of their profit came from the pop culture crowd.A lot of it came from you as well and as long as your $3.50 is included they're going to continue to have their way.DROP THIS MAG for Crom's sake!!!!I already have.Theres no way you can tell me DH won't feel it if you do.

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 11:25 PM

The whole thing is a joke, brothers...aside the nice cover art, yes, it1s a good cover...But DH is going hands over heels in this reboot...I really detest this arc.

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 11:29 PM

I could be wrong but it seems that quite a few of you want to give Dark Horse the benefit of the doubt.When are you guys going to wake up and come to the realization that this "QOTBC" is a joke.I really can't believe that a lot of you guys are buying this.For what reason.Are you continuing with it in the hopes that it will get better art wise and story wise?Or are you doing it just to keep your collection complete.Well,I'll tell ya,the collection ended with "Road Of Kings" and that was bad enough as it was.Now Dark Horse has lowered their standards on one of the most classic of REH's Conan tales as well as one of THE most anticipated Conan arcs.So when the next arc begins and if DH decides to lower the standards even more,what are you gonna do?Continue to throw your money away at them and accept whatever crap they want to throw back at you.Come on guys wake up!!!!Dark Horse is playing you and getting away with it simply because they know they can.I just can't understand how there are those of you who say you love and respect REH and his writings and in particular the Conan character(and I emphasize CHARACTER)and yet you still continue to support this trash.Granted,it's not for me to judge anyone of you or anyone and afterall,it is a free country so you can spend your money the way you please but I believe that as long as "so called" REH/Conan fans continue to support companies like DH by letting them get way with cheapening the Conan character and REH,for that matter,Conan and REH will NEVER get the respect they deserve.Come on guys...I would expect this from pop culture kids but most of us have been following REH and Conan for many years and we should know better.Sure,their sales may have gotten better since QOTBC began but remember...not all of their profit came from the pop culture crowd.A lot of it came from you as well and as long as your $3.50 is included they're going to continue to have their way.DROP THIS MAG for Crom's sake!!!!I already have.Theres no way you can tell me DH won't feel it if you do.

I could be wrong but it seems that quite a few of you want to give Dark Horse the benefit of the doubt.When are you guys going to wake up and come to the realization that this "QOTBC" is a joke.I really can't believe that a lot of you guys are buying this.For what reason.Are you continuing with it in the hopes that it will get better art wise and story wise?Or are you doing it just to keep your collection complete.Well,I'll tell ya,the collection ended with "Road Of Kings" and that was bad enough as it was.Now Dark Horse has lowered their standards on one of the most classic of REH's Conan tales as well as one of THE most anticipated Conan arcs.So when the next arc begins and if DH decides to lower the standards even more,what are you gonna do?Continue to throw your money away at them and accept whatever crap they want to throw back at you.Come on guys wake up!!!!Dark Horse is playing you and getting away with it simply because they know they can.I just can't understand how there are those of you who say you love and respect REH and his writings and in particular the Conan character(and I emphasize CHARACTER)and yet you still continue to support this trash.Granted,it's not for me to judge anyone of you or anyone and afterall,it is a free country so you can spend your money the way you please but I believe that as long as "so called" REH/Conan fans continue to support companies like DH by letting them get way with cheapening the Conan character and REH,for that matter,Conan and REH will NEVER get the respect they deserve.Come on guys...I would expect this from pop culture kids but most of us have been following REH and Conan for many years and we should know better.Sure,their sales may have gotten better since QOTBC began but remember...not all of their profit came from the pop culture crowd.A lot of it came from you as well and as long as your $3.50 is included they're going to continue to have their way.DROP THIS MAG for Crom's sake!!!!I already have.Theres no way you can tell me DH won't feel it if you do.

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 11:49 PM

I stopped reading this comic after issue #3. Seeing as how DH & Brian Wood aren't staying true to the REH stories (not completing the QoTBC story, & Belit being in Cimmeria). Is this comic worth reading anymore? It doesn't seem like it.....


Well, they will be completing it eventually, starting a little over a year from now. Is it worth reading? As you can see, mileage varies greatly.

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 11:58 PM

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 01:40 AM

I could be wrong but it seems that quite a few of you want to give Dark Horse the benefit of the doubt.When are you guys going to wake up and come to the realization that this "QOTBC" is a joke.I really can't believe that a lot of you guys are buying this.For what reason.Are you continuing with it in the hopes that it will get better art wise and story wise?Or are you doing it just to keep your collection complete.Well,I'll tell ya,the collection ended with "Road Of Kings" and that was bad enough as it was.Now Dark Horse has lowered their standards on one of the most classic of REH's Conan tales as well as one of THE most anticipated Conan arcs.So when the next arc begins and if DH decides to lower the standards even more,what are you gonna do?Continue to throw your money away at them and accept whatever crap they want to throw back at you.Come on guys wake up!!!!Dark Horse is playing you and getting away with it simply because they know they can.I just can't understand how there are those of you who say you love and respect REH and his writings and in particular the Conan character(and I emphasize CHARACTER)and yet you still continue to support this trash.Granted,it's not for me to judge anyone of you or anyone and afterall,it is a free country so you can spend your money the way you please but I believe that as long as "so called" REH/Conan fans continue to support companies like DH by letting them get way with cheapening the Conan character and REH,for that matter,Conan and REH will NEVER get the respect they deserve.Come on guys...I would expect this from pop culture kids but most of us have been following REH and Conan for many years and we should know better.Sure,their sales may have gotten better since QOTBC began but remember...not all of their profit came from the pop culture crowd.A lot of it came from you as well and as long as your $3.50 is included they're going to continue to have their way.DROP THIS MAG for Crom's sake!!!!I already have.Theres no way you can tell me DH won't feel it if you do.


The same thing could be said about the movies, you know, and I recall you saying how much you love them over in the film section. One could easily argue that those big screen versions are less faithful to REH than this comics one. My point is, we enjoy what we enjoy, and no one should be told that they "should know better" just because they're interested in seeing where this story goes. Dark Horse has done good by me over the last several years, and I'm not one to immediately jump ship as soon as things start to go a bit sour. I think the QotBC arc started off well, so I'm still willing to give it a chance even if I don't think it's so wonderful right now. If the comic vastly improves, I'll be glad I stuck with it.

Edit: And if you're referring to me as a "so-called" REH fan just because I'm continuing to buy the comic, then you're way out of line and being very disrespectful. Keep that in mind next time you make a post here.
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Posted 07 July 2012 - 02:09 AM

Conan (obviously) didn't "reveal" everything to Belit if she only found out about Crom while sailing up the Zarkheba. Why? We only see this level of revelation TWICE in the entire Conan canon (the other is PotS). Both times Conan was (unknowingly) heading to his "doom".


Deuce, we lost the striptease aka "mating dance" I will lay odds that that metaphysical exchange, which basically summarily defines the character, will not make it into print in this version...this Conan we have here can't believably say that.
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In essence, we believe that the work of any creative artist -- writer, painter, illustrator, musician, what-have-you -- is a unique expression of an artistic point of view. It should not be appropriated or altered by others without the artist's consent. No other writer has Robert E. Howard's unique point of view, and no other writer knows what Howard would have done with his character had he lived. Upon his death, his canon, the expression of his artistic vision, became fixed. Tampering with it now is desecration."

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 02:12 AM

I could be wrong but it seems that quite a few of you want to give Dark Horse the benefit of the doubt.When are you guys going to wake up and come to the realization that this "QOTBC" is a joke.I really can't believe that a lot of you guys are buying this.For what reason....A lot of it came from you as well and as long as your $3.50 is included they're going to continue to have their way.DROP THIS MAG for Crom's sake!!!!I already have.Theres no way you can tell me DH won't feel it if you do.


well, speaking for myself I am a supporter of Conan and I've been buying it so far...I do vote with my pocket and I also like to write letters and engage. Hopefully they (DH) will learn a lesson, think it through a little better next time, and Wolves will be a masterpiece the way this should have been. If the hardcore fans just duck out there won't be any skin in the game to represent us.
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In essence, we believe that the work of any creative artist -- writer, painter, illustrator, musician, what-have-you -- is a unique expression of an artistic point of view. It should not be appropriated or altered by others without the artist's consent. No other writer has Robert E. Howard's unique point of view, and no other writer knows what Howard would have done with his character had he lived. Upon his death, his canon, the expression of his artistic vision, became fixed. Tampering with it now is desecration."

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 02:15 AM

What the heck is with this "reboot" stuff anyhow? It's not like we just had Crisis on Infinite Hyborias here. DH's Conan comic only goes back a few years, and the entire REH canon is thirty stories. That's it!
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Posted 07 July 2012 - 05:50 PM


I could be wrong but it seems that quite a few of you want to give Dark Horse the benefit of the doubt.When are you guys going to wake up and come to the realization that this "QOTBC" is a joke.I really can't believe that a lot of you guys are buying this.For what reason.Are you continuing with it in the hopes that it will get better art wise and story wise?Or are you doing it just to keep your collection complete.Well,I'll tell ya,the collection ended with "Road Of Kings" and that was bad enough as it was.Now Dark Horse has lowered their standards on one of the most classic of REH's Conan tales as well as one of THE most anticipated Conan arcs.So when the next arc begins and if DH decides to lower the standards even more,what are you gonna do?Continue to throw your money away at them and accept whatever crap they want to throw back at you.Come on guys wake up!!!!Dark Horse is playing you and getting away with it simply because they know they can.I just can't understand how there are those of you who say you love and respect REH and his writings and in particular the Conan character(and I emphasize CHARACTER)and yet you still continue to support this trash.Granted,it's not for me to judge anyone of you or anyone and afterall,it is a free country so you can spend your money the way you please but I believe that as long as "so called" REH/Conan fans continue to support companies like DH by letting them get way with cheapening the Conan character and REH,for that matter,Conan and REH will NEVER get the respect they deserve.Come on guys...I would expect this from pop culture kids but most of us have been following REH and Conan for many years and we should know better.Sure,their sales may have gotten better since QOTBC began but remember...not all of their profit came from the pop culture crowd.A lot of it came from you as well and as long as your $3.50 is included they're going to continue to have their way.DROP THIS MAG for Crom's sake!!!!I already have.Theres no way you can tell me DH won't feel it if you do.


The same thing could be said about the movies, you know, and I recall you saying how much you love them over in the film section. One could easily argue that those big screen versions are less faithful to REH than this comics one. My point is, we enjoy what we enjoy, and no one should be told that they "should know better" just because they're interested in seeing where this story goes. Dark Horse has done good by me over the last several years, and I'm not one to immediately jump ship as soon as things start to go a bit sour. I think the QotBC arc started off well, so I'm still willing to give it a chance even if I don't think it's so wonderful right now. If the comic vastly improves, I'll be glad I stuck with it.

Edit: And if you're referring to me as a "so-called" REH fan just because I'm continuing to buy the comic, then you're way out of line and being very disrespectful. Keep that in mind next time you make a post here.

First off...It's for you to decide if you are a "so-called" REH/Conan fan.So keep THAT in mind next time you spend your $3.50 for this junk.Also keep it in mind if and when DH decides to continue lowering the standards and quality on the next Conan arc simply because you already showed them you're willing to accept anything they want to throw at you .As for the movies,(and I know this should go on the film thread)but yes I enjoyed the new Conan film very much.Was it perfect?NO,but IMO it was more action filled than the first two and Jason Momoa WAS truer to character than Arnold.Conan The Barbarian 82 not so much,Conan The Destroyer I liked a little more than CTB82 and I won't go in depth as to why for each film but what I WILL say is that with a film it's different....Once you've spent your money and if the film turns out to be a disappointment you don't keep going back spending money again and again to see it again and again.If you do then you need to see a doctor.And yes...one should know better.Especially when it's obvious that the story itself has been bastardized simply because the writer and the artist know virtually NOTHING about the characters.And for that reason the story will continue to suffer.So yes,one should know better.But hey...it's your money and it's a free country.If you want to keep spending your money each month on bogus BS then go on and have fun.But don't complain when and if DH decides to throw something at you thats worse than what they're throwing at you now.

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 10:06 PM

Okay. Everybody needs to sit back, ingest something soothing and READ THE FORUM GUIDELINES:

http://www.conan.com...?showtopic=3496

Y'all can slam on Wood/DHC all ya want. However, let's leave off talk about "fans". Some REH/Conan fans are buying the new series, Some aren't.

From here on out, we're talking warnings/deletions/bans. :)

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 11:36 PM

What the heck is with this "reboot" stuff anyhow? It's not like we just had Crisis on Infinite Hyborias here. DH's Conan comic only goes back a few years, and the entire REH canon is thirty stories. That's it!


it was totally a botched mix message.
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In essence, we believe that the work of any creative artist -- writer, painter, illustrator, musician, what-have-you -- is a unique expression of an artistic point of view. It should not be appropriated or altered by others without the artist's consent. No other writer has Robert E. Howard's unique point of view, and no other writer knows what Howard would have done with his character had he lived. Upon his death, his canon, the expression of his artistic vision, became fixed. Tampering with it now is desecration."

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 03:40 AM

Alright so here's the problem I'm having with this series in general and it goes to heart of what Al has been saying about only reading QotBC out the context of the rest of the storie (or even the rest of the DH series). Up until this point in Conan's career, we've only really seen the northern countries, the Hyborian nations and a bit of Hyrkania We've seen that part of the world for 10 trades worth of stories. One of the great things about QotBC is that it's the point that we finally get to see Conan in the exotic southern kingdoms: Shem, Stygia, Kush, and the black kingdoms. There should steaming jungles and raids on Kushite ports.

But what's the first thing that Conan. Belit, and Crew does when they hook up? They go back to Argos! Why? We were just there! Okay Conan was revenge. Fine. I can live with a couple of issues in Argos if we get to steaming jungles after that. But no! After Argos we're going back to Cimmeria. Cimmeria! Arrgh! I already have a whole hc trade taking up space on my shelf that's full of fair to middling Cimmeria pastiches. I really don't need to see it again.

But see that's the problem with this reboot idea. Brian Wood hasn't been to Argos yet, he hasn't been to Cimmeria yet. Because he's doing QotBC in a complete vacuum he has no awareness of the redundancy of what he's doing. THis is just really lame and it's killing a lot of what makes QotBC so popular---the exotic atmosphere.

I have not been very critical and nitpicky at all so far. I have been very willing to give Brian a chance and there have been things I've liked. But unfortunately it has just gotten more and more unpalatable. I'm glad the sales are up. It's good for Howard as a franchise I suppose, if it gets new people interested in reading the original stories. But how many of these new fans of Wood's version of Conan are going to find REH's Conan appealing. I;m not sure we can answer that.
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