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#1 johnnypt

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 12:07 AM


CONAN THE BARBARIAN #12


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Brian Wood (W), Declan Shalvey (A), Dave Stewart ©, and Massimo Carnevale (Cover)

Unable to obtain a cure for the deadly illness afflicting Belit and the crew of the Tigress, Conan feels the fear of loss for the first time. With no hope and a broken heart, the Cimmerian is horrified at how appealing he finds Belit's order to abandon the ship and his queen! The haunting conclusion of "The Death"!

32 pages, $3.50, in stores on Jan. 16.


When are we going to get a Conan who isn't deathly afraid of something and/or everything?  Good Lord...


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Posted 13 October 2012 - 12:20 AM

CONAN THE BARBARIAN #12

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Brian Wood (W), Declan Shalvey (A), Dave Stewart ©, and Massimo Carnevale (Cover)

Unable to obtain a cure for the deadly illness afflicting Belit and the crew of the Tigress, Conan feels the fear of loss for the first time. With no hope and a broken heart, the Cimmerian is horrified at how appealing he finds Belit's order to abandon the ship and his queen! The haunting conclusion of "The Death"!

32 pages, $3.50, in stores on Jan. 16.


When are we going to get a Conan who isn't deathly afraid of something and/or everything? Good Lord...


But being afraid makes him more human and relatable. At least I'm sure thats what Wood and the other idiots at Dark Horse would say.

Where's a vomit smiley when you need it?

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 12:32 AM

Where's a vomit smiley when you need it?


Here you go...

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 03:07 AM

Man, it's just an ad and all...but what the heck do you make of all this?

"Unable...Conan feels the fear of loss for the first time...With no hope and a broken heart, the Cimmerian is horrified..."

Not spending much time treading the jeweled thrones of the Earth under his sandaled feet these days now is he?

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 05:29 AM

Wood may be proving once more that he does not have a grasp of the character. I´ll wait and see.
I like the fact, though, that the story happens over sea waters. It was about time!
By the way, the vomit smiley is something to behold (laughs).

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 08:36 PM

The cover artwork is excellent and he has muscles yippeee

But I stopped buying this at issue 6 because of Woods choice of artists..... :( It hurts me as this is the only title available, crying smiley boohoo

Edited by Dave the Rage, 14 October 2012 - 08:36 PM.

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 07:40 AM

Even going by the pastiches he's already experienced loss. Let's see.....Iasmini, Niord and his aesir, Afreet Galan and Cahsus (his captains in the free companions) nestor, caollan, arianne, amalric. Given that these people are his lover, Mentor/warbuddies, friends, friend, girl he lost his virginity to, second girl he ****ed, and mentor respectively, you'd think he'd know how to deal with loosing the ones he loved due to his failing. He's already lost loved ones, and he's already been in the place where people he loved died because of his arrogance or because he wasn't strong enough. **** it's heavily implied in Hanumar road that the REAL reason Conan sticks around Kalanthes despite being scared shitless and having the opportunity to get the hell out of there is because HE WANTS TO ATONE FOR FAILING IASMINI AND HIS AESIR FRIENDS!!!!! Why are they redoing the "oh no I'm not strong enough to save those I love.) They did it twice, and the second time was just excusable because Sergius is a spitefull little cock bag who sold them out to Turan, and because Conan was injured bleeding, and somewhat poisoned in a marsh while drinking foul river water and eating rats just to survive. In that case, you could get why he felt like crap; not only did he let them down, he's also slowly dying in a shitty swamp. Just because the second time you tried something similar was fairly compelling doesn't mean it will work a third time. I want conan raiding khemi, sacking abombi, and doing real pirate stuff. If you must do a horror story don't do the "oh i'm so helpless to save the woman i love." You did it twice before, it was compelling. MOVE ON AND TRY SOMETHING ELSE DAMN IT!!!!!!!!

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 02:28 PM

Man, it's just an ad and all...but what the heck do you make of all this?

"Unable...Conan feels the fear of loss for the first time...With no hope and a broken heart, the Cimmerian is horrified..."

Not spending much time treading the jeweled thrones of the Earth under his sandaled feet these days now is he?



Very true... Its more like treading the dainty daisies of the Earth under his bared emo feet... This emo stuff does not fit Conan. REH would punch someone for making his Conan a pansy ass.

One reason Conan resonates is because those gigantic Melancholies do not cause him to sink under depression or allow it to take hold of him. He is what we would love to be like. Ignoring the resistances of the world that holds us back. Damn..... Do writers and artists getting the chance to write or draw Conan read the actual stories and read the REH Scholarly papers regarding him at all to get a feel for the character? Or do they just rely on assumed knowledge of what Conan is like and what they may have read a few times in comics or seen in a movie?

I understand interpretation and I understand style and I understand wanting to put a mark on a piece of work. But not being able to get the essence and basics of a character is really sad in my opinion.

I cannot understand for the life of me why a writer or artist cannot take what has been written by REH and use it as a framework to fill in the gaps. Belit going to Cimmeria? Come on... There is not even a hint of that possibility nor does it make any sense at all. I reread Queen of the Black Coast the other day. There are so many subplot possibilities that make sense and can be linked around the story.

I know Kurt Busiek got a little wonky a few times while writing Conan... But at least it still felt Hyborian. The adaptations of REH's stories... I think Busiek was excellent and when Cary Nord was drawing those adaptations.... Amazing at times. It felt like the Conan I knew from the stories. I love the whole sequence of "The Tower of the Elephant" to the "Hall of the Dead". Mignola's story should be a blueprint of how to adapt a fragment of an idea drawn from REH's framework.

I apologize for ranting... Its rare for me. But Conan has been part of my life since I was around 6 years old listening to the record of "The Tower of the Elephant" as my first encounter. I just turned 45 yesterday and I have yet to see Conan on film and rarely in print except of course with REH's actual stories. I hope at some time I get to set someone take hold of the properties of REH and do it right instead of almost doing it right a rare few times and the majority times failing miserably.

End of rant.

If some of my phrasing is weird... I am a hillbilly in the mountains of North Carolina and I type the way I talk, LoL. I know I need to stop doing that... My college English and writing teachers would knock me upside the head.

Thanks for reading,

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Edited by Michael Miko, 15 October 2012 - 02:29 PM.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 08:08 PM

part of it for me is that conan has been here, and has already made amends in the past. He should have accepted that sometimes you fail to save those you love, or that your friends can die blaming yourself is pointless you emo shit. Again, in Hanumar road and hyboria he was still green behind the ears, and in Free companions it was the very first time he had handled a large force and he was slowly dying. In both cases he finally faced his fears and emerged the stronger for it.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 07:42 AM

From the Man himself regarding Conan's mindset: (Italics mine)

“I don’t think you’re going to like ol’ Conan. His struggle is big, uncomplicated with civilized standards. The people who read my stuff want to get away from this modern, complicated world with its hypocrisy, its cruelty, its god-eat-dog life. They want to go back to the origin of the human race. The civilization we live in is a hell of a lot more sinister than the time I write about. In those days, girl, men were men and women were women. They struggled to stay alive, but the struggle was worth it.” pg. 63 "One Who Walked Alone"

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"Conan was as much a part of this wilderness as Balthus was alien to it. The Cimmerian might have spent years among the great cities of the world; he might have walked with the rulers of civilisation; he might even achive his wild whim some day and rule as king of a civilised nation; stranger things had happened. but he was no less a barbarian. He was concerned only with the naked fundamentals of life. The warm intimacies of small, kindly thins, the sentiments and delicious trivialities that make up so much of civilized men's lives were meaningless to him. A wolf was no less a wolf because a whim of chance caused him to run with watchdogs. Bloodshed and violence and savagery were the natural elements of the life Conan knew; he could not, he would never, understand the little things that are so dear to civilised men and women." "Beyond the Black River"

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“All I wanted to know was what kind of comment about life does he make?” I asked. “And I want to know what kind of comment you make about life in your Conan stories.”

Bob began to talk about good and evil in life. He said that life was always a struggle between good and evil, and people like to read about that struggle. He said that even though the Conan sagas were set in a prehistoric time, Conan often faced the same kind of evil and decadence we faced today.
He said that he wasn’t about to write those psychological yarns that sophisticated, half-educated people went for. No. He wrote for readers who wanted evil to be something big, horrible, but still something a barbarian like Conan could overcome. Evil could be found in another person who was about to kill you, or it could be found in a different race of people, a witch, a ghost, or some manifestation of the supernatural.

These damn pseudo-scientific writers of today who try to explore a man’s inner mind ain’t worth a damn. Evil, they say, lurks inside a man. I hate the damn bastards who write stuff like that, because every decent impulse a man has is given a dirty meaning by these damn sons-of-bi– guns. A man loves his poor old sick mother, and those damn bastards call it the ‘Oedipus complex.’ A doctor goes to see an attractive sick woman, and it’s portrayed as lust.” pgs. 151-152 "One Who Walked Alone"
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Posted 23 October 2012 - 01:33 PM

IT seems woods is listening, but writing script upto issue 14, so he way ahead of are gripes, so we won't maybe see him change his fiddle until then.

Asked if there any projects he wished he'd passed on, Wood joked, "Well, after reading the Conan boards, maybe 'Conan!'"


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Posted 23 October 2012 - 01:52 PM

IT seems woods is listening, but writing script upto issue 14, so he way ahead of are gripes, so we won't maybe see him change his fiddle until then.

Asked if there any projects he wished he'd passed on, Wood joked, "Well, after reading the Conan boards, maybe 'Conan!'"



He might be listening, but I didn't take anything from it that he's changing his approach. Mirko's art for the next arc looks amazing, but it's also making me wonder what the story is behind it. If it's depicting one of those things that was referred to elsewhere (ex. burning of the Stygian fleet, sack of Abombi), I'd probably pick the book back up. Until then, I'll pass.

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 06:49 PM

I saw in another post Johnnypt you are 46... I just turned 45 myself last Sunday. Its a shame fans of Conan like ourselves who grew up reading not only the Conan Comics but the books themselves (and there is nothing YA about the Conan books or other books we read growing up), are so disappointed and disgusted by the adaptation of "The Queen of the Black Coast". Which is one if not "the" most beloved of all the Conan stories. My fave of all time is "Tower of the Elephant" and I am glad Busiek and Nord did a pretty damn good job on it.

Wood had and still has a great opportunity here to make Conan great again. 15,000 books sold is not really that great. I understand the current market and the decline of sales over the past 15 years. But turning Conan into a completely different character and changing an actual REH story to something beyond all recognition is simply... Pathetic.

A lot of times when a new writer and art team begin an arc or new series of a character. You have some of the core fan base that doesn't like it. Whether Dark Horse... Wood or others like it or not. We "are" the core fan base and its not just some of us... Its the majority of us that don't like it. This is something I don't understand..... If sales are the goal of a company... Why do what they are doing with this new Conan series? If a writer or artist wants to make their own artistic take or statement in the medium of comics... Self-publish your own idea. Don't take a beloved character and turn him into some emo depressed teenager with the sentiments of delicious trivialities that goes against the core of the character REH created and wrote about.

This is one reason I do not want Arnold or Milius (Miius's series Rome was great thought) involved in anything related to Conan. They have given the general public that may or may not have read a Conan comic or two a twisted and wrangled concept of who and what Conan is. Not to mention the failed attempts at the TV show and cartoon, etc.

Being creative and putting one's mojo into a project is one thing... But turning a character that has been around for 80+ years into something unrecognizable is simply unjustified.

One day... I still have hope.

End of opinion,

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Edited by Michael Miko, 23 October 2012 - 06:52 PM.

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Posted 24 October 2012 - 10:24 PM

As I said doubt shouldn't be overdone. the only times conan has shown doubt were under understandable circumstances (Hyperborea he was a young teenager with no real experience, and in free companions the guy was slowly dying and being poisoned in a shitty swamp.) In both cases he ultimately faces his guilt and emerges stronger (conan uses his resolve to overcome Thoth amon's avatar in Hanumar road, thereby handing the magician his first defeat and finally proving to himself that he is strong enough to save those he cares for), and it was actually predicted by a soothsayer that he could either live or die; if he died he died if he lived he would be stronger.) The whole point was to put Conan at his lowest point so he would be stronger. Conan's faced loss, and he's accepted that sometimes you just can't save those you love. I'm all for heroes facing their guilt and fears to redeem themselves, but it should only be at a truly critical and important moment (In 14 it's the climax of the whole arc and in many ways the first third of the series, and in 19-21 it's after Conan made a genuine mistake that let down not only his friends but his mentor, and the whole ******* point was to force him to change and grow stronger or die in the muck.) It's boring when done multiple times.

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 07:42 AM

IT seems woods is listening, but writing script upto issue 14, so he way ahead of are gripes, so we won't maybe see him change his fiddle until then.


Asked if there any projects he wished he'd passed on, Wood joked, "Well, after reading the Conan boards, maybe 'Conan!'"



I wish he were serious...

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:00 AM

Here's the full-size image for this issue:

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 08:28 PM

Simple stylistic colours and thoughtful piece, I think this is one the best covers imo.
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Posted 01 December 2012 - 07:48 AM

not a bad cover. definitely working the palette there, bronze vs belit.
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Posted 12 December 2012 - 06:34 PM

Now THIS is what a preview should look like! http://www.comicbook...review&id=14527

Edited by johnnypt, 12 December 2012 - 06:35 PM.


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Posted 12 December 2012 - 07:54 PM

Now THIS is what a preview should look like! http://www.comicbook...review&id=14527



...and Wood's latest interview - http://www.comicbook...rticle&id=42608

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